Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love....


9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.




Question for H/U's....did John think the Father and the son were the exact same person?

Your premise is in error because you do not acknowledge that God is His Logos, and His Logos became flesh. (John 1:1, John 1:14)

You teach there are two (maybe more) gods because you cannot accept the One True Almighty God conceived and implemented His Logos through Jesus.

Jesus is the Savior of mankind, yet God proclaims He is the ONLY savior. (Hosea 13:4; Isaiah 43:11-13, Isaiah 45:21-22) And this salvation is available only through Jesus. (Acts 4:12; John 8:24; John 14:6) Thus we have God is the only Savior and Jesus is the only Savior. Using your reasoning we would have two Saviors. But when one understands the meaning of God's Logos, then they realize that this Savior is simply One God implementing His Logos plan through Jesus, which is His Logos made flesh.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

JudeKing James Version (KJV)

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:


Same person?

Your premise is in error because you do not acknowledge that God is His Logos, and His Logos became flesh. (John 1:1, John 1:14)

You teach there are two (maybe more) gods because you cannot accept the One True Almighty God conceived and implemented His Logos through Jesus.

Jesus is the Savior of mankind, yet God proclaims He is the ONLY savior. (Hosea 13:4; Isaiah 43:11-13, Isaiah 45:21-22) And this salvation is available only through Jesus. (Acts 4:12; John 8:24; John 14:6) Thus we have God is the only Savior and Jesus is the only Savior. Using your reasoning we would have two Saviors. But when one understands the meaning of God's Logos, then they realize that this Savior is simply One God implementing His Logos plan through Jesus, which is His Logos made flesh.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

I guess it takes a PHD reading level to squish these 2 into 1?


LOL

Naw--it just takes sincerity and a love for God and His Word.

[aegsm76]

Sean,
I am not following the entire thread, only bump in with my questions.
But, seems like I remember you speaking about how when the scripture said something like "God and the Lord Jesus Christ", you felt that was affirmation for your doctrine.
So, I was reading this weekend and came across this:
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Did some checking and found this:
Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
and
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
if you say that in example A it means 2 then how do you view these scriptures?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Sean,
I am not following the entire thread, only bump in with my questions.
But, seems like I remember you speaking about how when the scripture said something like "God and the Lord Jesus Christ", you felt that was affirmation for your doctrine.
So, I was reading this weekend and came across this:
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Did some checking and found this:
Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
and
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
if you say that in example A it means 2 then how do you view these scriptures?

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father...

Our Father is God also.


Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
and...


Our Father is God also.




Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father


Our Father is God also, which is inside Jesus Christ, in whom we have our hope.



I obviously take Col 2:9 in consideration when I see God and Jesus described as after the resurrection.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Your premise is in error because you do not acknowledge that God is His Logos, and His Logos became flesh. (John 1:1, John 1:14)

You teach there are two (maybe more) gods because you cannot accept the One True Almighty God conceived and implemented His Logos through Jesus.

Jesus is the Savior of mankind, yet God proclaims He is the ONLY savior. (Hosea 13:4; Isaiah 43:11-13, Isaiah 45:21-22) And this salvation is available only through Jesus. (Acts 4:12; John 8:24; John 14:6) Thus we have God is the only Savior and Jesus is the only Savior. Using your reasoning we would have two Saviors. But when one understands the meaning of God's Logos, then they realize that this Savior is simply One God implementing His Logos plan through Jesus, which is His Logos made flesh.

The premise you have is not explaining these verses I post.

Instead you say "you err".


Now, forget about me for a minute.

If your congregation is beginning to ask you to explain these verses in a church setting, will you explain them or say they "err"?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love....


9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.




Question for H/U's....did John think the Father and the son were the exact same person?

Do you tell brother/sister so and so in the congregation they "err", for quoting this verse and noticing what it says, TK?

[Sean]

Now, post these 2 verses and make them say whatever you think they are saying , TK.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sean is LIVING PROOf that you cannot be saved without LISTENING to your pastor!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean is LIVING PROOf that you cannot be saved without LISTENING to your pastor!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sean is LIVING PROOF that you cannot be saved without a GOOD pastor.