Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Paul speaks of Jesus' God in particular, decades after his resurrection.

Just what was Paul thinking?

Better yet what are you thinking?

Your Catholic relatives must still believe you can receive communion.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

One mediator was the crucifixion.

Bro, that verse isn't about theology, it is about soteriology.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Past or present tense?

He cannot mediate in our personal situations anymore?

[Sean]

I see him as a personal mediator like Paul taught.

You seem to see him as a relic.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

In other words, Mike does not agree with this as it is clearly seen.....



12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name


....and that Jesus kinda over emphasized himself having a God, but it was really Gods' OWN flesh having a God.

No.

I already explained it. Oneness teaches Jesus existed before Hew was in flesh as God. 1 John 4 says that Jesus came in the flesh, and then speaks of God in flesh if you keep reading. And Revelation 1 says the Almighty spoke and when John turned around to look he saw the son of man. That can only mean the one who is son of man is also God Almighty. There are not two almighties. So, the only explanation of his statements referring to "MY GOD" must be speaking from his perspective as man while at other places IN THE SAME BOOK He speaks from the perspective of God.

Sean, you said Jesus BECAME GOD (Like the devil tried to make eve believe can happen) at HIS RESURRECTION. Rev 4 is Jesus writing AFTER HIS RESURRECTION and speaking about HIS GOD. So, after His resurrection when he is God, how come he is speaking about having a God?

Or will you avoid this question, too?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Which cancels this....


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



...to Mike.

See? YOU DID EXACTLY AS I PREDICTED.

I predicted after you read my words accusing you of violating Heb 9:28 where Jesus died ONCE to bear our sins, you would do this...

Now the typical response that avoids the issue will be like.... "So you're saying Revelation 13:8 is a lie?" When in fact the truth is GOD FORESAW and FOREPLANNED the cross, which is what it means for him to have been crucified before the world began, not that He actually was killed on a cross.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

The O.T. to N.T. is summarized here....


2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

What we know today is that the God of the O.T. is inside His begotten son, Jesus Christ, while His son mediates for us because nobody can come to God, except by Jesus.

Every individual on a individual basis must have their personal lives mediated by Jesus before his God.

Since their sins are alive, the mediatory work is alive....

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Past or present tense?

He cannot mediate in our personal situations anymore?

....Thus.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

See? YOU DID EXACTLY AS I PREDICTED.

I predicted after you read my words accusing you of violating Heb 9:28 where Jesus died ONCE to bear our sins, you would do this...

Now the typical response that avoids the issue will be like.... "So you're saying Revelation 13:8 is a lie?" When in fact the truth is GOD FORESAW and FOREPLANNED the cross, which is what it means for him to have been crucified before the world began, not that He actually was killed on a cross.

Hey, you are just like God, a "predictor" of the future....LOL

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

It is satanic to agree with Jesus and John, unlike you guys?

You do not agree with Jesus and John. It is satanic to agree with the devil when the devil told eve she would become God. See how you twist things? I said the DEVIL told Eve she, a human being, would become God. And I said YOU were saying the same thing about Jesus, a human being, becoming God. But you twisted that as if I was saying it is satanic to agree with John and Jesus.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey, you are just like God, a "predictor" of the future....LOL

Still avoiding the issue, huh?

Answer why Heb 9:28 says Jesus died ONCE to bear the sins of many after you said He died twice.