Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Sean]

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.



This one tripped my H/U doctrine up big time.

I always blended the 2 into 1, but the comparison is unity as 1, not everyone is one person as Christ/God are one person.

All of us are one, unified by the Spirit, but not one person.

[Sean]

Look at the 2 persons again....



21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.




Think of this for a minute.

One person is praying/speaking to another person.

This is not a fake prayer/discussion.

H/U teaches it is.

[Sean]

Now add this....


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.



17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Now, what did JOHN believe?

[Sean]

What did Paul believe?....


That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

[Sean]

Yet, H/U(trins/oneness) will not face these beliefs of John and Paul.(also the very words of Christ)

[Sean]

Honestly, I think there are 2 HUGE groups of folks arguing over 2 wrongs. This is why it is impossible to resolve in the whole of Christianity.

[Sean]

The individuality of the man Christ Jesus being fully indwelled by his individual God has been completely overlooked for about 1600 years.


It is like a veil over the eyes of Christianity.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Yes.

There is no other explanation of Christs' words.

You already posted that was Spirit and Truth.

How if Jesus was the logos, and It is He who had revealed the Father John 1:18 can they be two separate persons? John shows us this further when he records Jesus telling Phillip how Phillip should of known who the Father actually was. That being Jesus John 14:9 . Therefore they are not two separate co equal co eternal beings but one literal being. Correct? You can't continue to say that you are One God if you believe that Jesus and the father together make up a unified God?

That isn't one as the numeral, but one as a unified one. Like the Trinity, which is three separate persons, coexisting, coeternal, and coequal. You have two persons who are coequal and coeternal.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

The individuality of the man Christ Jesus being fully indwelled by his individual God has been completely overlooked for about 1600 years.


It is like a veil over the eyes of Christianity.

This is what this is all about? You are supposed to be some sort of Moses to the Apostolic movement? Sean do you believe that you are the last prophet to the church age? Let me guess? You are the angel to the church of Laodicea? You are the messenger to the Laodicean church age? Howin the name of sanity does religions breed such utter madness? Weirdos sitting in their underwear on a desk top posting from dark to dark. While all the while believing they have some special anointing to restore what was never broken.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Honestly, I think there are 2 HUGE groups of folks arguing over 2 wrongs. This is why it is impossible to resolve in the whole of Christianity.

2? That's all you seem to see, two? You are a Twinitarian.