More on Skirts

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Back to ad-hominem attacks.

I do not think that means what you think it means:

ad ho·mi·nem.
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
ADVERB
1.(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.relating to or associated with a particular person:
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

I'm attacking your position.

[n david]

Pliny, you posted that you believe women who wear pants are committing sin. If this is what you truly believe, what are you doing to warn them of the judgment which is to come if they do not repent and continue to wear pants?

Tell me, man of God, the watchman on the wall: what are you going to do?

You have argued in dozens of posts of how it's a sin and abomination for a woman to wear pants; yet, you have cringed at the thought that this sin and abomination could lead to death and hell.

Man of God, watchman on the wall, why are you standing idly by, watching but warning not of the judgment to come.

"""And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house."""

"""But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe."""

What if Ezekiel and the other prophets refused to warn the people of impending judgment because they didn't want to "kick Christ off His seat of judgment?"

No wonder the church is such a mess! Too many ministers too frightened and scared to call sin what it is. Too afraid to actually tell people what will happen if they are unrepentant and die in their sins.

It's as though some don't believe in hell or eternal damnation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Stupid post.

You hate my stand so much you are projecting.

No, you argued for patience and mercy for what YOU define as a continued ABOMINATION. Not me.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Just another meaningless ad-hominem attack to avoid demonstrating, Biblically, where godly women wore pants.

Wrong. I meant exactly what I said.

I think you guys are wanting to sound all courageous and tough by demanding that Deuteronomy 22:5 define women wearing pants as an abomination... but you don't have the courage to address it as such.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

So, do you believe the Trinity as well?
They have more "evidence" for the Trinity than you do for godly women wearing pants.

But it's not an issue with my interpretation.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Another ad-hominem attack to avoid demonstrating where godly women wore pants.

BTW The same Paul said:
(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

So, to a conservative an ABOMINATION is just a "fault". LOL Okay...

And Jesus said:
(Mat 18:15 KJV) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(Mat 18:16 KJV) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
(Mat 18:17 KJV) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

If a brother "trespass against thee"... not, "if thy brother commit that which is an ABOMINATION to the LORD thy God."

You're getting softer and softer on sin to justify your inadequacy in dealing with an ABOMINATION.

But you're the Pharisee. Go and kick people out without trying to restore them or teach them.

You're biblically illiterate. Disfellowship and shunning someone over continued sin, and ABOMINATION, is done in effort to teach them that sin is not tolerated and sorrow caused by shunning is intended to bring repentance unto restoration.

Here's Paul's own admonition to the Corinthians to shun a brother sleeping with his father's wife:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

After the Corinthians obeyed Paul's admonition to disfellowship the individual sleeping with his step-mother, the man repented and pleaded for forgiveness. Paul then wrote them to welcome him back into full fellowship:

II Corinthians 2:5-11 (ESV)
5 Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure—not to put it too severely—to all of you. 6 For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, 7 so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. 9 For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. 10 Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, 11 so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

Notice, Paul's admonition that they disfellowship the man sleeping with his step-mother was a test of their obedience and love of holiness and righteousness. The goal wasn't to "kick him out without trying to restore him", the goal was to bring a repentance so that the offender could be fully restored in HOLINESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

This is an excellent link on this form of spiritual discipline:

What does the Bible say about shunning?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-shunning.html

Anyone who thinks that disfellowshipping or shunning is done as a mean spirited way to only "kick someone out" obviously has no understanding of biblical church discipline.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I have. You just can't handle a "debate" because you have no evidence. hence, your multiple ad-hominem attacks.

I believe the gospel and live accordingly. You appear to hate that. You want me to be as merciless as you and I refuse that. So go ahead, keep up the ad-hominem attacks. they reveal how desperate you are.

BTW STILL waiting for you to demonstrate where godly women wore pants in the Bible. Maybe, NDavid will let you borrow his Talmud.

You argued for pants on a woman to be an ABOMINATION. But you don't have the guts to step up to the plate and advocate what is necessary to deal with continued ABOMINATION.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Does this mean you can present the Biblical evidence of godly women wearing pants? No? I didn't think so. Yet, you say I have changed the subject.

I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts. Skirts a man's attire.

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Skirts are not women's attire.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Let's finish the "pants" issue before "changing the subject".

Wait, YOU said Deuteronomy 22:5 is about what people WEAR, the same answer should be for T-shirts as for women's pants. Are you going to go down to an even lower form of gutless inconsistency? LOL

Are you willing to admit that godly women never wore pants?

I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts. They were men's attire!

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

According to your logic, women shouldn't wear skirts either!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Wrong again. It is the Bible.

Pants are worn.
Godly men wore pants.
Godly women did not.

Deu. 22:5 is about what people wear.

Like T-shirts???

Still waiting for you to demonstrate, Biblically, where godly women wore pants.

I have verses of Scripture where men wore skirts. They were men's attire!

Deuteronomy 22:30
A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Ruth 3:9
And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Samuel 15:27
And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1 Samuel 24:4
And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily.

1 Samuel 24:5
And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt.
Can you find one where women wore skirts???

1 Samuel 24:11
Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand: for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in mine hand, and I have not sinned against thee; yet thou huntest my soul to take it.

Psalm 133:2
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

According to your logic, women shouldn't wear skirts either!