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[Sister Alvear]

and now I will be picked apart....kinda got used to it of AFF...lol

[Amanah]

Sister Alvear, thank you for taking the time to explain.

[Sister Alvear]

In 1 Timothy 2:9-10, the apostle Paul writes “I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.”
Not the KJV but it is what I have opened up too at this moment.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Sister Alvear, thank you for taking the time to explain.

You are so welcome. God bless you.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I agree with Aquila on this issue. If you're making a logical argument about smoking and say that it is harmful to the body therefore it is sinful, then you must examine all other things that harm the body and cause health issues and use that same argument to label those a sin as well.

Yes.... food can be a HUGE addiction.

I've struggled with food addiction for years.

Don't preach against smoking and make food your god.

Sooo... You are okay with "addictions"?

You can justify smoking, women wearing men's apparel and vice versa if you like. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. I will not be brought under the "power" of anything. 1 Co 6:12

RWP
Paul is determined not to be a slave to anything harmless in itself. He will maintain his self-control.

Paul refused to be brought under the "power" of even "lawful" things yet some here would argue that ungodly things are okay because someone somewhere at sometime did it. This justification is based on them being a "good" person.

Yet, the Bible still says:
(Pro 14:12 KJV) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

(Pro 16:25 KJV) There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

There is no such thing as a "good" man:
(Psa 14:1 KJV) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
(Psa 14:3 KJV) They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
(Psa 53:3 KJV) Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
(Mar 10:18 KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


The very best man can do is "filthy" in the eyes of God.
(Isa 64:6 KJV) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
(Rom 3:23 KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Go ahead, ignore the word of God. If it "feels good" do it. Then, justify it by saying you are "following the spirit". No one can make anyone do anything.

I will "follow" (which means to chase it as if in a hunt) holiness without which no man may see the Lord (Heb. 12:14).

Most "hunt" for the fringes rather than for holiness. They try to see how far away from holiness they can get rather than trying to chase holiness as of in the hunt for it. All the while justifying their carnality with "feelings" rather than the word of God and the timeless principles God has given us to live by.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I knew a fourth generation Apostolic Pentecostal. This young man's great-grandfather was an Apostolic Pentecostal back when the movement was just taking off. He was a farmer. He faithful attended church, read his Bible, raised his children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and... smoked a pipe. My friend's grandfather (second generation Apostolic) smoked a pipe also, but taught his children against it because it was proven that smoking tobacco was bad for one's health. My friend's father (third generation Apostolic) never smoked. And of course, my friend doesn't smoke.

If you do a little research on the Apostolic movement predating 1930's, you'll discover that there was a wide range of opinions about smoking and it wasn't unheard of for Apostolics to smoke.

And their salvation was never questioned.

...

Special note, it was an almost universal practice throughout the Middle East in Christ's day to chew khat after large meals. It was chewed during after dinner fellowship and helped to clean teeth. The only problem is that khat contains a monoamine alkaloid called cathinone, an amphetamine-like stimulant. While it was very common throughout the Middle East for thousands of years... today it is considered a controlled substance.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Where did I say any of that?

Subjective memory...

[Pliny]

The record must be corrected. Historically "pants" were not only known, they were worn by multitudes of men in ancient history.

A quick couple of quotes from the ancient historian Herodotus:
Persians
“Thou art about, oh! king, to make war against men who wear leathern trousers, and have all their other garments of leather; who feed not on what they like, but on what they can get from a soil that is sterile and unkindly; who do not indulge in wine, but drink water; who possess no figs nor anything else that is good to eat.
pp 72-73


Scyths
The Sacae, or Scyths, were clad in trousers, and had on their heads tall stiff caps rising to a point. They bore the bow of their country and the dagger; besides which they carried the battle-axe, or sagaris.
p. 68


Anyone who says differently whether under the guise of "research" or not is wrong and their "research" is terrible.

Concerning "Research"
Commentaries are considered secondary sources because they are full of opinions which are sometimes wrong. Herodotus is considered a primary source.

Godly men are known to have worn pants such as:
The priests
The 3 Hebrew young men

This has been mentioned before.


One question asked is how many godly women wore pants? They certainly existed because men are known to have worn them - godly men. So where are the godly women that wore pants?

The lack of evidence demonstrates the untenable position.

The fact remains:
Deu. 22:5 encompasses the fact that men are to wear the pants in the family - not women.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The record must be corrected. Historically "pants" were not only known, they were worn by multitudes of men in ancient history.

A quick couple of quotes from the ancient historian Herodotus:
Persians
“Thou art about, oh! king, to make war against men who wear leathern trousers, and have all their other garments of leather; who feed not on what they like, but on what they can get from a soil that is sterile and unkindly; who do not indulge in wine, but drink water; who possess no figs nor anything else that is good to eat.
pp 72-73


Scyths
The Sacae, or Scyths, were clad in trousers, and had on their heads tall stiff caps rising to a point. They bore the bow of their country and the dagger; besides which they carried the battle-axe, or sagaris.
p. 68


Anyone who says differently whether under the guise of "research" or not is wrong and their "research" is terrible.

Concerning "Research"
Commentaries are considered secondary sources because they are full of opinions which are sometimes wrong. Herodotus is considered a primary source.

Godly men are known to have worn pants such as:
The priests
The 3 Hebrew young men

This has been mentioned before.


One question asked is how many godly women wore pants? They certainly existed because men are known to have worn them - godly men. So where are the godly women that wore pants?

The lack of evidence demonstrates the untenable position.

The fact remains:
Deu. 22:5 encompasses the fact that men are to wear the pants in the family - not women.

while I agree with you, I don't think Herodotus can be considered a primary source as he often exaggerated, embellished, and was proven inaccurate.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Amanah

while I agree with you, I don't think Herodotus can be considered a primary source as he often exaggerated, embellished, and was proven inaccurate.

In academia he is considered a "primary" source.

[good samaritan]

Gluttony is a sin, but being overweight is not. Most of the time weight gain is the result of gluttony and wine bibbing, but may not be always. I do think people should strive to maintain a healthy body weight, but that weight is different for many. We can talk about diets and things not to eat but doesn't the scripture say that all meats are good so long as you give thanks.

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Nutrition is always changing and the things that they said was good they now say is bad and visa versa. I think nutrition is different for every person because not any two people are alike. My body may not process some things as good as someone else whereas they may not process certain foods as well as my body. My grandpa ate fried potatoes in lard every night of the week for the life of my grandmother and that was over fifty years. He is 87 years old and his blood pressure is good most of the times, but some of the medication they give him for back pain may cause his bp to be a little low.

I personally think their may be an agenda behind what is said to be healthy and unhealthy. Each person needs to be moderate, be active, and pay attention to what their body tells them. If I notice after a meal something makes me feel bad or has a negative affect on me then I should realize that is not for me.

Smoking is wrong. When you are camping and the smoke from the fire blows your way every normal person moves out of the smoke. We all know that it is oxygen that we breath. It is plain stupid to intentionally inhale contaminants into our lungs to bring harm to our bodies. I think that God expects us to use some common sense.

OP's are often viewed as legalists, but actually it is liberal minded Christians that are using legalities to say that they are free to do what they want. They say, "the Bible doesn't specify cigarettes, so legally we shouldn't say that it is a sin even though it is harmful to the temple of God. Smoking and gluttony is a sin, but one doesn't cancel out the other. Overeating Christians don't give license for smoking Christians.