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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pliny

It is interesting to see folks say something along the lines of: follow the Spirit... As though the "Spirit" would contradict the word. The "Spirit" will never contradict the Word because they are both expressions of the same God. Thus God will never contradict Himself. To ignore the Word is to fall into error. The true worshipers will worship in Spirit and in truth.

It is true the Deu. is not speaking specifically about pants. If the Bible spoke specifically about everything there would be multitudes of "commandments" instead of the 613 "Mitzvah's". God gave the ministry to discern between right and wrong (Lev. 10:10; Deu. 17:9; Eph. 4:10-12).

God has provided timeless principles to live by, not an encyclopedia list of do's and don'ts. Had it of been, the Bible would have been obsolete decades ago. Instead, the timeless principles help to point those who "seek first His kingdom and righteousness" in the direction of God's holiness not man made feelings. Those feelings are often characterized by the argument that you should "follow the Spirit". This "phrase" provides legitimacy to carnality and seeks to remove the soul from the anchor of God's word.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey, I'm just telling it as it is. lol

Is that why Raven posted about you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, you'd be okay with men wearing lady's Jordache jeans!

Do you think an average woman can wear Bruce Jenner's high heels?

Pants were worn by priests, military cavalry, and by Hebrew men under their cloaks. Jordache jeans wouldn't of made it in the United States in 1800s. Do you agree?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by madras

Insults are acceptable. That's amazing.

Originally Posted by madras

You are quite the apologist.

Hypocrisy anyone?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hypocrisy anyone?

Doesn't lift, obviously.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The mind is never so resourceful as when it is justifying itself...

For those who believe "pants" on women are okay because there is not a specific commandment against it - do you think smoking is okay as well? After all, there is no specific prohibition against it?...

As for me and my house - we will seek the "No-Smoking" section of eternity. :-)

I knew a fourth generation Apostolic Pentecostal. This young man's great-grandfather was an Apostolic Pentecostal back when the movement was just taking off. He was a farmer. He faithful attended church, read his Bible, raised his children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and... smoked a pipe. My friend's grandfather (second generation Apostolic) smoked a pipe also, but taught his children against it because it was proven that smoking tobacco was bad for one's health. My friend's father (third generation Apostolic) never smoked. And of course, my friend doesn't smoke.

If you do a little research on the Apostolic movement predating 1930's, you'll discover that there was a wide range of opinions about smoking and it wasn't unheard of for Apostolics to smoke.

And their salvation was never questioned.

After it research and science began to prove the dangers of smoking (despite the propaganda and misinformation campaign headed by the tobacco companies) Christian churches began encouraging that people not smoke. As science began to prove the damage smoking causes, many churches chose to label smoking a "sin" ranked up with drinking, carousing, and other unhealthy lifestyles.

Now, does this mean that smoking is a "sin"? I do know that it is one of the most unhealthy habits to have. But just because something is "unhealthy" it doesn't mean it is a "sin". Else being overweight would be "sin". Most Americans eat meals that are too large, this too would be a "sin". Eating foods that are not considered good for you (such as a Big Mac) would be "sin". Drinking soda-pop would be "sin". Drinking various coffees would be "sin"... or having any of these things in excess would be "sin".

I would argue that smoking, being of an unhealthy weight, eating too much, eating unhealthy foods, drinking soda-pop, coffee, etc. can all be considered unhealthy practices. I'd encourage spiritual self-discipline concerning these things and emphasize the blessings of good health. But to just throw the word "sin" around is serious. Sin can land one in Hell. I'm not sure that any of these things will do that.

Special note, it was an almost universal practice throughout the Middle East in Christ's day to chew khat after large meals. It was chewed during after dinner fellowship and helped to clean teeth. The only problem is that khat contains a monoamine alkaloid called cathinone, an amphetamine-like stimulant. While it was very common throughout the Middle East for thousands of years... today it is considered a controlled substance.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I knew a fourth generation Apostolic Pentecostal. This young man's great-grandfather was an Apostolic Pentecostal back when the movement was just taking off. He was a farmer. He faithful attended church, read his Bible, raised his children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and... smoked a pipe. My friend's grandfather (second generation Apostolic) smoked a pipe also, but taught his children against it because it was proven that smoking tobacco was bad for one's health. My friend's father (third generation Apostolic) never smoked. And of course, my friend doesn't smoke.

If you do a little research on the Apostolic movement predating 1930's, you'll discover that there was a wide range of opinions about smoking and it wasn't unheard of for Apostolics to smoke.

And their salvation was never questioned.

After it research and science began to prove the dangers of smoking (despite the propaganda and misinformation campaign headed by the tobacco companies) Christian churches began encouraging that people not smoke. As science began to prove the damage smoking causes, many churches chose to label smoking a "sin" ranked up with drinking, carousing, and other unhealthy lifestyles.

Now, does this mean that smoking is a "sin"? I do know that it is one of the most unhealthy habits to have. But just because something is "unhealthy" it doesn't mean it is a "sin". Else being overweight would be "sin". Most Americans eat meals that are too large, this too would be a "sin". Eating foods that are not considered good for you (such as a Big Mac) would be "sin". Drinking soda-pop would be "sin". Drinking various coffees would be "sin"... or having any of these things in excess would be "sin".

I would argue that smoking, being of an unhealthy weight, eating too much, eating unhealthy foods, drinking soda-pop, coffee, etc. can all be considered unhealthy practices. I'd encourage spiritual self-discipline concerning these things and emphasize the blessings of good health. But to just throw the word "sin" around is serious. Sin can land one in Hell. I'm not sure that any of these things will do that.

Special note, it was an almost universal practice throughout the Middle East in Christ's day to chew khat after large meals. It was chewed during after dinner fellowship and helped to clean teeth. The only problem is that khat contains a monoamine alkaloid called cathinone, an amphetamine-like stimulant. While it was very common throughout the Middle East for thousands of years... today it is considered a controlled substance.

Prove Jesus, the apostles, prophets, saints etc chewed khat after meals.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Prove Jesus, the apostles, prophets, saints etc chewed khat after meals.

I didn't say that they did. All I said is that was a wide spread practice. The practice spanned various cultures in that region from Egypt, North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, to Persia since ancient times.

Besides, what difference would it make if they chewed khat or not?

[Scott Pitta]

This thread is gong up in smoke

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

This thread is gong up in smoke

I saw what you did there.