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03-23-2016, 06:25 AM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I don't know why old people think growing facial hair is a good look?
He looks like Harry and the Hendersons.
Seriously.
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Why would you care if a brother has a beard?
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03-23-2016, 08:46 AM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
Just read Ballestero's blog on facial hair. Good Lord, what a legalistic mess his blog is. I think the Apostolic movement attracts some of the most OCD people on the planet. Just reading his unending list of questions exhausted me.
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No surprise that I disagree...
However, I do not believe that everyone with facial hair is going to hell.
As a matter of fact, I believe there is more scripture for facial hair, than against it.
But, we must accept that in the past and in certain areas of the country/world, facial hair was not regarded in a favorable light.
As the scripture says, "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient."
And every church has standards/traditions that are not directly spelled out in the Bible.
What we need to ensure is that the principles of the word, are followed.
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03-23-2016, 03:08 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Why would you care if a brother has a beard?
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Uh....how long have you been around old time Pentecost? I was born into it over 50 years ago and for all of that time it has been a huge care to almost 100% of them! Only in the last few years has there been some movement to accept facial hair on men. There used to be a rule not allowing men on the platform at GC with facial hair that I believe they recently changed.
Just one more extra biblical / un biblical hobby horse rode in the erroneous name of "holiness".
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-23-2016, 05:02 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
Outward dress on either male or female were not a part of the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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03-23-2016, 05:31 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
would that mean you do not believe in repentance, faith, baptism, laying on of the hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgement??
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03-23-2016, 05:35 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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would that mean you do not believe in repentance, faith, baptism, laying on of the hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgement??
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I think you misunderstood. The doctrine of Christ is exactly those things. Outward standards of dress are not mentioned there.
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03-23-2016, 05:43 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
To equate the gospel and doctrine of Christ with outward standards of dress cannot be found in this passage, or anywhere in the NT.
Outward standards of dress are never taught in the NT as salvational, or part of the gospel and doctrine of Christ.
I'm not saying that there should not be a standard of dress in the life of a disciple of Christ. It is biblical to look modest and godly, but that becomes a matter of opinion, because the standard of dress today is far different than what it was in the NT.
I am saying that a dress code or standard should never be equated with salvation.
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03-23-2016, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
To equate the gospel and doctrine of Christ with outward standards of dress cannot be found in this passage, or anywhere in the NT.
Outward standards of dress are never taught in the NT as salvational, or part of the gospel and doctrine of Christ.
I'm not saying that there should not be a standard of dress in the life of a disciple of Christ. It is biblical to look modest and godly, but that becomes a matter of opinion, because the standard of dress today is far different than what it was in the NT.
I am saying that a dress code or standard should never be equated with salvation.
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03-23-2016, 06:04 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
yes, I did misunderstand...
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03-23-2016, 08:36 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Why would you care if a brother has a beard?
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Define care?
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