Uncut Hair - Page 17

Esaias · #**161** 12-31-2015, 03:59 PM

What do you guys think of this:

1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man. (Isaiah 47:1-3)

Seems there is an OT witness to the shamefulness of a woman's hair being 'uncovered', ie her head covering being removed.

Truthseeker · #**162** 12-31-2015, 04:35 PM

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 KJV
http://bible.com/1/1jn.3.4.KJV

Does this mean if it's not in the law is not sin?

Truthseeker · #**163** 12-31-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

And do we have anything in the Bible stating this rule? "If an apostle teaches something not previously mentioned by Moses, it is either just his personal opinion or it only applies to that specific time and place and audience." ???

Do you agree it was never commanded by God in the scriptures?

good samaritan · #**164** 12-31-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 KJV
http://bible.com/1/1jn.3.4.KJV

Does this mean if it's not in the law is not sin?

Sin entered the world at the garden of Eden.

Knowing to do good and doing it not is a sin.

Jesus paid the price of sin evoked over humanity from the garden of Eden. We don't look to the law of Moses to lead us, but instead we allow the Spirit of God to lead us personally. Righteousness has always been a matter of the heart. It can not be regulated, but it is between a person and God.

Secular laws are always being reinterpreted and revised in order to fit the law breaker. The defense attorney will try and throw a different slant on the law in order to get the defendant of the hook. We are not to view God's word as how it can best fit us, but instead how can we live our lives to best fit God. We will have different interpretations on things, but what is our motivations and influences for the way we interpret scripture. I think that is going to make all the difference to rightly divide the word of truth.

Truthseeker · #**165** 12-31-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sin entered the world at the garden of Eden.

Knowing to do good and doing it not is a sin.

Jesus paid the price of sin evoked over humanity from the garden of Eden. We don't look to the law of Moses to lead us, but instead we allow the Spirit of God to lead us personally. Righteousness has always been a matter of the heart. It can not be regulated, but it is between a person and God.

Secular laws are always being reinterpreted and revised in order to fit the law breaker. The defense attorney will try and throw a different slant on the law in order to get the defendant of the hook. We are not to view God's word as how it can best fit us, but instead how can we live our lives to best fit God. We will have different interpretations on things, but what is our motivations and influences for the way we interpret scripture. I think that is going to make all the difference to rightly divide the word of truth.

Some great points, but to the subject about uncut hair or veils its a huge factor it was never commanded by God anywhere in the scriptures.

Esaias · #**166** 12-31-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 KJV
http://bible.com/1/1jn.3.4.KJV

Does this mean if it's not in the law is not sin?

Does Christ expect His disciples to be obedient to the teachings of His apostles? Where is baptism commanded in the Law? Would it be a sin for a person to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED? Where is lesbianism condemned in the Law? What about Sabbath keeping, that definitely is commanded. Do you remember the sabbath day, to keep IT holy?

Where is church attendance commanded in the Law? Is it wrong for a Christian to refuse to assemble with the brethren? Is it okay with God for a believer to refuse to assemble with other believers and just wing it on their own?

Just what authority do the apostolic writings have?

Esaias · #**167** 12-31-2015, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Some great points, but to the subject about uncut hair or veils its a huge factor it was never commanded by God anywhere in the scriptures.

By scriptures you must mean 'the Old Testament only'. In that case, where is faith in Jesus commanded in the Scriptures? (OT only, remember that now!)

Esaias · #**168** 12-31-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Do you agree it was never commanded by God in the scriptures?

It was commanded in 1 Corinthians ch 11, at the least. Last I checked, that was still Bible.

good samaritan · #**169** 12-31-2015, 07:05 PM

To the subject of a woman covering her head when praying or prophesying and having long hair; it may be subject to interpretation, but it is the word of God. If it is anywhere in the entirety of the word of God it is the word of God. I respect the right to disagree with the interpretations, but to make the argument that doctrine can only be derived only when God directly commands (thou shalt or thou shalt not) something is absurd.

I don't think you can find anywhere in scripture that polygamy is wrong, but surely you don't believe it to be acceptable?

What about christians smoking marijuana in states where it is legal?

etc.....

I am not going to presume someone lost or heretic over this issue, but I still think that uncut hair is the truth in regard to a woman's head being covered.

Esaias · #**170** 12-31-2015, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

To the subject of a woman covering her head when praying or prophesying and having long hair; it may be subject to interpretation, but it is the word of God. If it is anywhere in the entirety of the word of God it is the word of God. I respect the right to disagree with the interpretations, but to make the argument that doctrine can only be derived only when God directly commands (thou shalt or thou shalt not) something is absurd.

I don't think you can find anywhere in scripture that polygamy is wrong, but surely you don't believe it to be acceptable?

What about christians smoking marijuana in states where it is legal?

etc.....

I am not going to presume someone lost or heretic over this issue, but I still think that uncut hair is the truth in regard to a woman's head being covered.

We might disagree about what the page says, but at least we are both on the same page and in the same book.