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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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I don't imagine I have ever started a thread that went this long. It is sad that all these posts aren't in response to my original question. smh. Is there any place where a civil discussion can be had on the subject? |
Sorry Reader, but Sean isn't going to let that happen.
He has determined that we are to be vanquished, and therefore he will not allow civility to reign.
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11-04-2015, 09:40 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
That is when admin should step in....
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11-04-2015, 09:47 PM
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That is when admin should step in....
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Reader, that is a great thought.
And there is a new sheriff in town. 
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11-05-2015, 01:45 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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I don't imagine I have ever started a thread that went this long. It is sad that all these posts aren't in response to my original question. smh. Is there any place where a civil discussion can be had on the subject?
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An awesome question... one I'd also like to know the answer to...
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11-05-2015, 05:18 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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Well, maybe you are full of it, Shazeep.
There is nothing wrong with getting unchurched and rechurched.
I want and seek exact truth, not a belief system of men.
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An awesome question... one I'd also like to know the answer to...
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We can go over your house. 
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11-05-2015, 06:23 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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Sean, everyone can see you don't know the answer. This is a forum where you post and the post stays where all can make their own judgement. Sean, you refuse to answer the question because you got caught in the crack. Please explain Micah 1:3-4, is it 722 BC or is it the future? |
Micah 1:3-4King James Version (KJV)
3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.
Good morning all...
I must agree with this author and I believe this is speaking of the 2nd coming....
"For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place; He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth. The mountains will melt under Him, and the valleys will split like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place"
( Micah 1:3-4).
This scripture refers to the second coming of Christ. At His first coming He came as a Lamb for the slaughter but at His second coming He comes as a Conqueror on a white horse- the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. At His first coming He taught with a shepherd's staff but at His second coming He will rule with a sword of iron. He is the Alpha and Omega- the beginning and the end. Who is like Him?....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...p-47pN6XITX37Q
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11-05-2015, 06:26 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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Benincasa thinks this ALREADY happened folks!!!....
Micah 4(Chapter 4)
4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.... |
Now that I solved someones dilemma, I would like to see a preterist explain when this passage was fulfilled.
I know they are too embarrassed to explain it, but I must ask it anyway.
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11-05-2015, 06:57 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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I don't imagine I have ever started a thread that went this long. It is sad that all these posts aren't in response to my original question. smh. Is there any place where a civil discussion can be had on the subject?
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well, you asked a divisive question, about the doctrines of men, imo. Didn't most preterists start as futurists? I think the danger is in identifying with either camp too completely; i see it as an "Are you a Pharisee, or a Sadducee?" type question. We have several of these in Christianity, none of which can be proven definitively with Scripture, and imo none of which alter our mission here as believers.
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11-05-2015, 07:05 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
So far, I have found 4 passages of a future messiah, laced in the book of Micah, which declares the eminent chastisement of God on His people....
1:3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.....
4:4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it......
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.....
7:16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
These prophecies are in the beginning, middle and end of this book.
They are there to encourage Israel, not to give up hope, during their times of chastisement.
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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Micah 1:3-4King James Version (KJV)
3 For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.
Good morning all...
I must agree with this author and I believe this is speaking of the 2nd coming....
"For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place; He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth. The mountains will melt under Him, and the valleys will split like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place"
( Micah 1:3-4).
This scripture refers to the second coming of Christ. At His first coming He came as a Lamb for the slaughter but at His second coming He comes as a Conqueror on a white horse- the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. At His first coming He taught with a shepherd's staff but at His second coming He will rule with a sword of iron. He is the Alpha and Omega- the beginning and the end. Who is like Him?....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...p-47pN6XITX37Q
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Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you bfirst placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.
Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.
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