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God's "holy hill"?
Psalm 2:6, Psalm 3:4, Psalm 15:1, Psalm 24:3, Psalm 43:3, and Psalm 99:9 all make reference to God's "holy hill".
I should think that in context, it's a reference to Mount Zion, a literal place in Israel that became a symbol of God's dwelling in and with His people, and a promise for their future.
But what about today? What application suits the Christian believer?
What does it mean...
...for the Davidic King and Messiah to be set on God's "holy hill"?
...for God to hear us out of His "holy hill"?
...to dwell in God's "holy hill"?
...to ascend God's "holy hill"?
... to be brought to God's "holy hill"?
...to worship at God's "holy hill"?
I'd love to get some insight from you all.
Thanks,
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11-04-2015, 07:58 AM
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Re: God's "holy hill"?
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,(invisible realm)
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
There is a Mt. Zion in the Earth, and a Mt. Zion in the heavens.
Both are actual, physical places in their respective dimensions.
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11-04-2015, 11:45 AM
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Re: God's "holy hill"?
I believe the scripture relates the concept of Zion in earth, like Jerusalem, being a foreshadow of the greater and more real Zion in the Spirit. Christ is seated in Zion on the right hand throne.
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Re: God's "holy hill"?
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Psalm 2:6, Psalm 3:4, Psalm 15:1, Psalm 24:3, Psalm 43:3, and Psalm 99:9 all make reference to God's "holy hill".
I should think that in context, it's a reference to Mount Zion, a literal place in Israel that became a symbol of God's dwelling in and with His people, and a promise for their future.
But what about today? What application suits the Christian believer?
What does it mean...
...for the Davidic King and Messiah to be set on God's "holy hill"?
...for God to hear us out of His "holy hill"?
...to dwell in God's "holy hill"?
...to ascend God's "holy hill"?
... to be brought to God's "holy hill"?
...to worship at God's "holy hill"?
I'd love to get some insight from you all.
Thanks,
Aaron
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My thoughts include the idea that all of these references refer to the most oft-quoted prophecy in the Old Testament ever noted in the New. Psalm 110:1.
Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
It is where Jesus sat after His ascension, having made atonement by his work on the cross. That is what the high priest foreshadowed in having passed the veil into the holiest to sprinkle the mercyseat. That mercyseat is the throne of God. The right hand.
Psalm 2 points to this same point in time when Jesus ascended.
One of the most precious sermons the Lord ever gave me is about Psalm 2 and how it's fulfilled in Acts 2.
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Re: God's "holy hill"?
Here's notes for those who don't have time for the video:
Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Acts 4:23 And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them. 24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, Here we have the early church having just experienced persecution from the religious leaders of Jerusalem because a man was healed in the name of Jesus from being crippled, and the miracle was spreading across town and was a plainly supernatural occurrence.
And they have a meeting for prayer and talk to God, quoting Psalm 2 that we read earlier.
2 Sam 5:3 So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a league with them in Hebron before the LORD: and they anointed David king over Israel.
6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem unto the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land: which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither: thinking, David cannot come in hither. 7 Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion:
17 But when the Philistines heard that they had anointed David king over Israel, all the Philistines came up to seek David; and David heard of it, and went down to the hold. 18 The Philistines also came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim. 19 And David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up to the Philistines? wilt thou deliver them into mine hand? And the LORD said unto David, Go up: for I will doubtless deliver the Philistines into thine hand. 20 And David came to Baalperazim, and David smote them there, and said, The LORD hath broken forth upon mine enemies before me, as the breach of waters. Therefore he called the name of that place Baalperazim. 21 And there they left their images, and David and his men burned them.
When David wrote Psalm 2, he was recounting his own experience with taking the city Jerusalem back from the Jebusites who had seized control of it during some battles. - 2 Sam 5 relates to us how David was anointed king over all Israel and how he set forth to retain Jerusalem once again, as was the proper thing to do as newly appointed king.
- It tells us how David conquered ZION and put his throne there, and how the Philistines heard of it and became enraged seeking to remove David and not see David gain any more ground.
- David prays to God and asks if he should fight the Philistines, and God tells Him God will doubtlessly deliver them into his hand.
- And that is why we read in Psalm 2 that the Lord set his king upon the holy hill of Zion and the raging of the heathens and kings of the earth would not change God's plans since this KINGDOM WILL STAND!
If we read the 3rd chapter in Acts and the verses before the ones that related the prayer meeting of the early church we find that SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES OCCURRED with them that we find with David when David wrote Psalm 2. - Instead of the Philistines enraged against David taking Jerusalem back to Israel and putting his throne on Zion and how David was becoming greater and His Kingdom was plainly shown to be more powerful, THE CAPTAIN OF THE TEMPLE AND THE SADDUCEES HATED THE FACT THAT JESUS was becoming MORE POPULAR and people were parching in His name and healing the sick in His name.
- Jesus' kingdom was getting greater IN THE VERY SAME CITY WHERE DAVID'S KINGDOM was becoming greater!
The bible teaches that when Jesus resurrected, He went to the throne of GLORY IN HEAVEN. - Just like David going to the throne in ZION.
- The New Testament actually talks about ZION.
- The ACTUAL Zion is a spiritual place that saved born again people come to when they serve Jesus.
- IT IS CALLED ZION!
The way David was attacked for sitting not enthrone was the Philistines set out to fight and take him down. - But the way JESUS was attacked in the SAME CITY, JERUSALEM, centuries later, was by RELIGIOUS LEADERS commanding the disciples to STOP PREACHING IN THAT NAME and stop healing the sick in that name.
Now, DAVID was asking about fighting the enemy and God told him to fight and defeat the Philistines. - For us to read about the early Christians praying to God in their situation tells us that THEY GOT A SPECIAL INSIGHT FROM GOD that when David wrote about the ANOINTED KING sitting on the throne in Psalm 2, although David was talking about himself, God was actually having David PROPHESY about the GREATER fulfillment of that situation IN JESUS CHRIST BEING SEATED ON ZION.
- When the Christians pray, they actually say the KING and the ANOINTED ONE is Jesus.
Acts 4: 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed
And that means THEY KNEW that as much as David was on the throne in HIS KINGDOM centuries before, JESUS WAS ON THE THRONE OF DAVID and HAD A KINGDOM. - And what we need to learn from this is HOW THESE CHRISTIANS WOULD FIGHT BACK when David fought with swords and spears and shields.
People wonder what the nature of this KINGDOM is all about. - We talk about kingdom.
- We preach it is here now.
- We get confused with some people who believe KINGDOM NOW and teach we need to take over governmental offices and become leaders in the city and nation.
- Then others believe the Kingdom has not even come yet and will not come until after the rapture.
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Re: God's "holy hill"?
Proof the KINGDOM IS HERE.
Matt 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Someone said the KINGDOM IS POSTPONED because the Jews crucified Jesus. - Nothing was postponed.
- The KINGDOM WAS TAKEN FROM THEM, but Jesus never said it would come again after thousands of years.
- He said IT WOULD BE GIVEN RIGHT AWAY TO ANOTHER NATION.
What is it about?
John 18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
And on top of that the early Christians are comparing David;s situation in Psalm 2 where his kingship was being challenged with their situation with JESUS actually being the TRUE ANOINTED ONE whom the kings threatened. - And they are asking God to CAUSE THEM TO WIN THE FIGHT as God told David He would cause David to win in Psalm 2.
- Since this was about Jesus, and them fighting, HOW WOULD THEY FIGHT?
- God told David to fight, but how would the Christians fight?
This shows us what the nature of the Kingdom is, and what our part is in seeing Jesus' kingdom increase. - First of all the KINGDOM WAS INCREASING by Peter and John healing a cripple n the name of Jesus and then preaching to everyone that JESUS IS RAISED UP!
Secondly, look at what they ask God to do, to let us realize HOW WE FIGHT TODAY in THIS KIND OF KINGDOM.
Jesus speaks showing something HE ACTUALLY SAID about this kingdom.
John 18: 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
We are not going to fight with weapons in this kingdom. - One preacher tried to prove to me that JESUS WILL FIGHT LATER with physical weapons, and showed me Rev. 19.
- I pointed out something to him about Rev 19 that he overlooked.
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Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
It is a VISION that SYMBOLIZES HOW THE WORD OF GOD defeats people. - THE WORD OF GOD IS SHARPER THAN ANY TWOEDGED SWORD.
- It is from his mouth so it means HIS WORDS do the work, not an actual sword.
And look at how this fits with HOW THE CHRISTIANS WOULD FIGHT.
Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
THAT IS HOW WE FIGHT! - THE SWORD OF THE WORD OF GOD!
- Miracles in the NAME OF JESUS.
This is how the KINGDOM COMES!
That is how we fight!
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11-05-2015, 10:56 AM
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Ah, another kingdom now charismatic preterist.
Man, it just seems that they are cropping up everywhere.
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Like roaches....
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