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10-31-2015, 12:11 PM
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The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Love.
Calm down. I wrote "Xtian" because the space for Thread titles is limited.
Luke 14:23, "If a man loves me, he will keep my words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
It requires little searching within The Modern Evangelical Church to hear some statement to the effect, "Jesus Loves Us Unconditionally!" But, the facts of Scripture, right here in Luke 14:23 quoting Jesus' very own Words, show that Jesus' and the Father's love is entirely conditional upon whether or not we first obey Jesus' Words and come to Him.
Old Addled Apostle John must have not said it quite right in 1John 4:19 when he wrote that Jesus "first loved us." Who should you believe? Jesus' Words, or Addled John? Remember, Jesus never said "I Love You" to anyone, not to His Mom, His Siblings, the people He healed, and certainly not to The Pharisees and Saducees. Not The Woman at the Well, not to The Syrophoenician Dog Woman, not to Mary and Martha. Jesus did mention His previous acts of love for the Disciples, in John 13:34, but He never ran around babbling, "Oh! I just love you all so much!! My love is UNCONDITIONAL for you!!" Nope. Not one time.
So, the only resolution to this shocking news for you Special Little Christian Hearts is that God did indeed first love The World as John wrote in 3:16, but only in a generic and general manner. His love for any individual person is entirely conditional, as Jesus clearly stated in Luke 14:23. Try to pray and calm down before you compulsively start tossing out weak little ad hominems. Speak to the issue here like a Real Believer.
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10-31-2015, 12:34 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
John 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
JOREBA - you are a liar! Your words have just been disproven by scripture. Take your blaspheming thoughts elsewhere.
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10-31-2015, 04:06 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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Originally Posted by JoReba
Luke 14:23, "If a man loves me, he will keep my words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
It requires little searching within The Modern Evangelical Church to hear some statement to the effect, "Jesus Loves Us Unconditionally!" But, the facts of Scripture, right here in Luke 14:23 quoting Jesus' very own Words, show that Jesus' and the Father's love is entirely conditional upon whether or not we first obey Jesus' Words and come to Him.
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Liar.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
While we were sinners means before we come to Him and before we obey Him.
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10-31-2015, 04:23 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
Hmmmmmm
How long before JoRambo is banned?
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10-31-2015, 04:33 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
well, you never know how many troubled people JR reps, and we are called to turn away wrath with gentleness. The Est'd Church produces people like this, and (especially after a jaunt on "Ex-Christians") he is really pretty harmless, if obviously angst-ridden (no offense).
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10-31-2015, 04:36 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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Speak to the issue here like a Real Believer.
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I'm curious what issue exactly you are talking about here. Pentecostals hardly espouse the codependent Christ that you seem to be putting forward; isn't that a more Episcopal pov?
Do you really imagine that the Revelation of Christ being co-opted by the church is so hidden from all who read this? If Christ has been so fully revealed to you, one has to wonder why you are not reflecting Him, JR. As KBTW has (once again) schooled you, it seems, perhaps it might be better if you just stated your issue in general terms, recognizing that there are plenty of exceptions to it that might be represented here.
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10-31-2015, 05:39 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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well, you never know how many troubled people JR reps, and we are called to turn away wrath with gentleness. The Est'd Church produces people like this, and (especially after a jaunt on "Ex-Christians") he is really pretty harmless, if obviously angst-ridden (no offense).
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Right. He's likely been burnt somehow somewhere.
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10-31-2015, 08:48 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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Originally Posted by JoReba
Calm down. I wrote "Xtian" because the space for Thread titles is limited.
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10-31-2015, 08:50 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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Hmmmmmm
How long before JoRambo is banned?
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No way, I want to see Francis, Sean, and JoReba to have a discussion. 
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"Nikita Khruschev said, "the living will envy the dead," why are so many people bent on surviving a nuclear war?
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10-31-2015, 09:16 PM
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Re: The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Lo
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No way, I want to see Francis, Sean, and JoReba to have a discussion. |
The three stooges. 
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