Why lie about Hitler?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Who blamed Jews for everything?

I don't recall anybody demanding some Kristallnacht against Herschel and his delicatessen, even though his cousin might be a gangster???

Why are we still talking about Jews? I thought the topic was Hitler..or are we saying the Jews lied about Hitler and he really was a great guy, loved everyone??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It is obvious Prax is programmed to attack anyone who does not hold to the "glorify the Jews" line. To point out their flaws is blasphemy.

I didn't attack anyone and you don't see me glorying Jews or anyone else. Im wondering why..of ALL the people on the planet, do you feel you have to point out THEIR flaws? Why?

What profit is there in that? BTW you just said THEIR flaws...so you are generalizing rather than just dealing with Zionists...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why are we still talking about Jews? I thought the topic was Hitler..or are we saying the Jews lied about Hitler and he really was a great guy, loved everyone??

I thought YOU were going on and on about Jews?

(And posting pics of Alf's hillbilly cousin...)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't attack anyone and you don't see me glorying Jews or anyone else. Im wondering why..of ALL the people on the planet, do you feel you have to point out THEIR flaws? Why?

What profit is there in that? BTW you just said THEIR flaws...so you are generalizing rather than just dealing with Zionists...

Face it. Jews and Israel are indeed a big deal to the church. We sprang from Judaism. Israel is a prophetic sign for us. It is impossible then to study the history of the Jews without talking about their faults.

We seem to have no trouble opening our Bibles and preaching from the Old Testament about their horrible sinfulness and backslidings as a group. Ah but let someone critique their behavior as a group post-Acts and people like you have a cow. I find this to be most curious.

[Esaias]

Okay, so back on to the original thread topic...

"If we were lied to about Hitler and Owens, what else were we lied to about?'

Quite simply, the propaganda against Germany that began in the mid-late 30s, designed to make it acceptable to the American people to go to war with Germany, simply never ended once the war was over. While there may be many reason for the continuance, I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that it was needed as a diversion to keep people's minds off the 'other' enemy we had, international socialism (communism).

And yes, post WW2 saw some major 'cold war' propaganda campaigns, but if you look at the pre WW2 anti-soviet sentiment, vs the post WW2 anti-soviet sentiment, there seems to be a qualitative difference. Prior to the WW2 we had Congressmen and other major influential leaders in government and business and the media warning about such things as known communist attempts at subversion of government, the family, education, religion, and business. After WW2, it was all focused more on how the Russkies were gonna nuke us when they weren't busy waging proxy wars in far flung places... places far, far from America's shores (that is to say, far away from DC...). And any Congressmen/Senators etc who DID try to warn about soviet communist infiltration and subversion of American society, from within, were ostracised and torn apart by the media as 'fascist neo Nazi' types... or otherwise ridiculed and destroyed. It was perfectly okay for Kennedy to butt heads with Krushchev and risk 'all out global thermonuclear war', but McCarthy was a nazi dog for uncovering evidence that those same soviets who 'hate us for our freedoms' were busy tunneling like termites through the infrastructure of American society, you see...

So I think that may explain one reason 'we' were lied to about the Owens/Hitler interaction: it was part of the WW2 anti-German/anti-Nazi propaganda campaign that had to be kept up.

Another reason could be that communists were taking over media, education, government, religion, etc and since communists maintained a constant 'anti-fascist' propaganda campaign as a matter of course, it follows they would maintain that campaign wherever they had power or were acquiring power. In other words, "we" were told that and other lies about Hitler and the Nazis because "we" were being told that by communists.

Personally, I think the whole 'nazi and communist' shtick* is kabuki theater meant to keep people confused and distracted about reality.

*Note: use of the word 'shtick' is NOT meant as a subtle poke at the Jews... lol

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Okay, so back on to the original thread topic...

"If we were lied to about Hitler and Owens, what else were we lied to about?'

Quite simply, the propaganda against Germany that began in the mid-late 30s, designed to make it acceptable to the American people to go to war with Germany, simply never ended once the war was over. While there may be many reason for the continuance, I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that it was needed as a diversion to keep people's minds off the 'other' enemy we had, international socialism (communism).

And yes, post WW2 saw some major 'cold war' propaganda campaigns, but if you look at the pre WW2 anti-soviet sentiment, vs the post WW2 anti-soviet sentiment, there seems to be a qualitative difference. Prior to the WW2 we had Congressmen and other major influential leaders in government and business and the media warning about such things as known communist attempts at subversion of government, the family, education, religion, and business. After WW2, it was all focused more on how the Russkies were gonna nuke us when they weren't busy waging proxy wars in far flung places... places far, far from America's shores (that is to say, far away from DC...). And any Congressmen/Senators etc who DID try to warn about soviet communist infiltration and subversion of American society, from within, were ostracised and torn apart by the media as 'fascist neo Nazi' types... or otherwise ridiculed and destroyed. It was perfectly okay for Kennedy to butt heads with Krushchev and risk 'all out global thermonuclear war', but McCarthy was a nazi dog for uncovering evidence that those same soviets who 'hate us for our freedoms' were busy tunneling like termites through the infrastructure of American society, you see...

So I think that may explain one reason 'we' were lied to about the Owens/Hitler interaction: it was part of the WW2 anti-German/anti-Nazi propaganda campaign that had to be kept up.

Another reason could be that communists were taking over media, education, government, religion, etc and since communists maintained a constant 'anti-fascist' propaganda campaign as a matter of course, it follows they would maintain that campaign wherever they had power or were acquiring power. In other words, "we" were told that and other lies about Hitler and the Nazis because "we" were being told that by communists.

Personally, I think the whole 'nazi and communist' shtick* is kabuki theater meant to keep people confused and distracted about reality.

*Note: use of the word 'shtick' is NOT meant as a subtle poke at the Jews... lol

Great post.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Do you realize how many million people Stalin killed?

Do you realize that the communist revolution was financed by Jews?

Look it up.

Actually the Russian Revolution was started by the Germans to take Russia out of the game in WW1. They sent Lenin from exile in Switzerland and 10 million in gold to Russia where he teamed up with Stalin and formed the resistance which eventually overthrew the Zsar. Once the Zsar was out of power Russia withdrew from WW1 and it was one less thing the Germans had to worry about during THAT war.
Very interesting view on Hitler during the Olympics though. I've found that during war there is actually quite a bit of grey areas. A interesting read is the views of the German soldiers that did not agree with the Nazi views but were forced to fight regardless. In Italy one such commander was invited to dinner in this monastery that was located on top of a mountain. Since it was on a mountain it offered a good view of allied occupied territory nearby but since it was a place of sanctuary and the commander was a honorable man he sat with his back to the window as to not take advantage of the view. The Nazis didnt take over the monastery and didnt molest the people that came there to escape the ravages of war and he let the soldiers that he commanded know that the monastery was off limits. The Allies however knew it was a strategic strong point and thought that the Germans would have surely occupied that position so they dropped leaflets warning the monastery that they were going to be bombed. The monastery was bombed a day later by the Allies even though it wasnt a military position and the Nazi commander helped with the recovery and evacuation efforts. The German commander wrote in his journal that he didnt agree with the Nazi mindset but if he made his feelings known he and his men could be executed.

[jediwill83]

Through my study of history and speaking with veterans I've just learned that things are rarely just black and white during war. Lotta propaganda goes on and alot is covered up. There can be good and evil on both sides. War is just a ugly business all around.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Actually the Russian Revolution was started by the Germans to take Russia out of the game in WW1. They sent Lenin from exile in Switzerland and 10 million in gold to Russia where he teamed up with Stalin and formed the resistance which eventually overthrew the Zsar. Once the Zsar was out of power Russia withdrew from WW1 and it was one less thing the Germans had to worry about during THAT war.
Very interesting view on Hitler during the Olympics though. I've found that during war there is actually quite a bit of grey areas. A interesting read is the views of the German soldiers that did not agree with the Nazi views but were forced to fight regardless. In Italy one such commander was invited to dinner in this monastery that was located on top of a mountain. Since it was on a mountain it offered a good view of allied occupied territory nearby but since it was a place of sanctuary and the commander was a honorable man he sat with his back to the window as to not take advantage of the view. The Nazis didnt take over the monastery and didnt molest the people that came there to escape the ravages of war and he let the soldiers that he commanded know that the monastery was off limits. The Allies however knew it was a strategic strong point and thought that the Germans would have surely occupied that position so they dropped leaflets warning the monastery that they were going to be bombed. The monastery was bombed a day later by the Allies even though it wasnt a military position and the Nazi commander helped with the recovery and evacuation efforts. The German commander wrote in his journal that he didnt agree with the Nazi mindset but if he made his feelings known he and his men could be executed.

In the U.S. State Department's three volume report on the origins of communism published in 1931, it is revealed how Jewish controlled German banks under the leadership of Max Warburg conspired as early as 1914 to send large payments to Lenin, Trotsky and others to aid them in their efforts to overthrow the Czar. When the White Russian patriots heroically attempted to regain their freedom from the Jews during the Russian Civil War, The Judaica (a leading Jewish publication at that time) says that "compact Jewish masses were utilized by the Bolsheviks to suppress such counter revolution." Clearly Jews and ethnic/native Russians were engaged in a death struggle over the destiny of Russia. Unfortunately, the Jewish masses won. While none of this justifies the killing of Jewish women and children during WW2 by the Germans, it does shed light on why Hitler felt Jews were the enemy and should be expelled from Europe. In addition, it explains why many Soviets saw the Nazis as liberators during WW2. This also makes me understand why 70% of American Jews vote Democrat instead of for the pro-Israel GOP.

An interesting fact about Max Warburg.....His brother Paul Warburg was the chief architect of the Federal Reserve Board of the United States. How scary is that??!!