Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do you have proof of these accusations? If so present them...if not may I ask if the Quran teaches you to do that?

Any one of you can prove that this guy pays for all of this out of his pocket. Be my guest. I said the sheeple pay. That would be consistant with just about every ministry on the planet, putting the burden of proof on whoever claims the minister pays for all of these puppet shows.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

Your "fact" is incorrect.

My "fact" is dead bang on accurate. The UN does not own or operate that building. Whats next? A UN conference at a Manhatton Hotel makes that hotel an affiliate of the UN? LOL

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Barb

MY book?

You do not believe the Holy Bible is the infallible Word of God and that this Word is given to ALL humanity?

Then sir, we have NOTHING on which to base a discussion.

If I thought for a second that you were sincere and wanted to believe, I would talk endlessly with you re faith and trust in the Lord.

If you wanted to discuss how to be saved as the SCRIPTURE hath said, I would linger here all night. I would pray with you and direct you to someone in your village or hamlet so that you might be baptized in water in the ONLY saving Name.

But alas, you are not interested in truth. It should not matter one hoot to YOU about LS and his stories or activities, yet you hammer away like a pit bull who won't let go of a bone.

I will pray that somehow the Word might reach you.

If it is, and instructs you to screen what is true or false based on the fruits that accompany it, then take my comment as you wish. As to the Bible and the Quran there are many similarities in requirements of men to God through the ministry of Jesus, after which they deviate.

Jesus outlined one way to be saved, in answer to a direct question, that is not consistant with many church teachings today. The Quran defers to and deacribes the requirements and actions tobe saved that are reflected in the life and actions of Jesus in your bible. In this, I can find no discrepancy.

The two monisters (snicker) and their conduct under discussion reflect neither.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Any one of you can prove that this guy pays for all of this out of his pocket. Be my guest. I said the sheeple pay. That would be consistant with just about every ministry on the planet, putting the burden of proof on whoever claims the minister pays for all of these puppet shows.

You are the one making the accusations so it's you that needs to support them if you dont want Allah to see you as a false accuser....

BTW If any group or church or org wants a special speaker to come and speak, yes they usually do pay for that person to fly out and their hotel and food. Why is that so bad? If you are talking about Ministry..we also support Missionaries around the world to drive cars.

Big deal. But you make it sound as if he is ripping people off dishonestly to just jet set around the world for free where ever he wants.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My "fact" is dead bang on accurate. The UN does not own or operate that building. Whats next? A UN conference at a Manhatton Hotel makes that hotel an affiliate of the UN? LOL

Who said the UN owned it? Nobody. they are reaching OUT to UN staff members

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Already posted em. Would you like them re-posted? 2 Tweets, 1 facebook page, and 1 screenshot from the church anniversary video spanning a time period of over a year, using the same picture from a 2009 play? This picture captioned and titled as a "service"? A third time? So you can say "wii lies because it doesn't really say 'my service' so it doesnt imply it is their service at all. It is just a picture of a play titled service. Whats wrong with that?"

Sure. No problem. I'll post em as many times as you wish. I like it when I post it, say it, see it all in grand color, and then your colleagues try to call me the liar under the backdrop of an exposed and deliberate lie. Thats funny.

I didn't see anything. Please post links and what you claim is happening

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Lemme see.

A photo of a 2009 play was posted by a minister with the title "service". So I say he is saying "my service" and I'm the liar?

Where? BTW we have plays during our service...its a service.

LOL. I admit this "lie" and retract my statement. The correction:

This minister used a photo twice on twitter, once on Facebook, and in his 2014 church anniversary video. It was a play from 2009, but he titled it as a service in the context of discussion of and tweets about services at the UN.

So what if it's a play? We have plays during services sometimes

He did not acknowledge that this photo was not his photo or a photo of his activities until April 25, 2015, one day after someone discovered it.

Can you show that actually took place? Whose photo was it? Who discovered it? Have you actually been following this since 2009?

So, my story is axactly the same. Whether is says "my service" or "service" it aint his photo and it's a play. LOL

There, better?

No...I dont see anything but accusations and assertions

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You are the one making the accusations so it's you that needs to support them if you dont want Allah to see you as a false accuser....

BTW If any group or church or org wants a special speaker to come and speak, yes they usually do pay for that person to fly out and their hotel and food. Why is that so bad? If you are talking about Ministry..we also support Missionaries around the world to drive cars.

Big deal. But you make it sound as if he is ripping people off dishonestly to just jet set around the world for free where ever he wants.

The discussion on who pays is a deviation from the original discussion and was based on a claim that this man somehow pays foe the show.
I was making fun of that claim.
As to how it was marketed, I do believe that borrowing someone elses photos is unethical and the borrowing and posting of these photos was never denied or questioned by anyone in the course of the discussion nor on the webpage and super secret minister discussion site where they were acknowledged as not a good idea or some such.
As you see this discussion knife-fight is about intent and motive where from my side I say that the misleading photos were unnecessary and based on continued use of these photos and failure to acknowledge what these photos actually were implies (actually in my mind constitutes proof of) intent to mislead or deceive.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The discussion on who pays is a deviation from the original discussion and was based on a claim that this man somehow pays foe the show.

What do you mean "Pays for the show"? What show?

I was making fun of that claim.
As to how it was marketed, I do believe that borrowing someone elses photos is unethical and the borrowing and posting of these photos was never denied or questioned by anyone in the course of the discussion nor on the webpage and super secret minister discussion site where they were acknowledged as not a good idea or some such.

Im still waiting for that proof of doing so....

BTW you can use photo's that are not copy protected. If I had services in a park and I found a picture on the internet of that park, can post a picture and write "bible study"...big deal

As you see this discussion knife-fight is about intent and motive where from my side I say that the misleading photos were unnecessary and based on continued use of these photos and failure to acknowledge what these photos actually were implies (actually in my mind constitutes proof of) intent to mislead or deceive.

All I have seen are accusations and assertions from you.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The discussion on who pays is a deviation from the original discussion and was based on a claim that this man somehow pays foe the show.
I was making fun of that claim.
As to how it was marketed, I do believe that borrowing someone elses photos is unethical and the borrowing and posting of these photos was never denied or questioned by anyone in the course of the discussion nor on the webpage and super secret minister discussion site where they were acknowledged as not a good idea or some such.
As you see this discussion knife-fight is about intent and motive where from my side I say that the misleading photos were unnecessary and based on continued use of these photos and failure to acknowledge what these photos actually were implies (actually in my mind constitutes proof of) intent to mislead or deceive.

Making fun???? you were falsely attacking and got caught and held accountable.. you were lying!!!!
your excuse was making fun --- thats not the way I see it.. I see a liar and deceiver!!
I see a manipulator and critic full of nothing but hate.. THATS WHY YOU SAID HE DOESNT PAY FOR THINGS.. YOU LIED ABOUT THE RENT CLAIMING HE DIDNT PAY --- THAT THE METHODIST PAID IT FOR HIM
you never addressed that lie... you have one agenda to lie and deceive