Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hmmm... this is what I see...

Gen 6:4 KJV
There were giants in the earth in those days (just before the flood); and also after that (immediately after the flood), when the sons of God (presently being debated) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same (their children) became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I never read it that way.

I read it as follows...

Gen 6:4 KJV
There were giants in the earth in those days (those times of sin that led up to the flood); and also after that (after the existence of what we read in the very next clause.... after the time when sons of God...), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same (their children) became mighty men which were of old, men of renown (distinct from the giants who existed during their time and before their time).

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I see no supporting verses.

"We were like grasshoppers to them."

[Sean]

Notice that the sons of god marrying the daughter of men is totally unrelated to the "giants" verse.

They all were giants, because they were old.....



Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


The verse is simple a statement that men were giants. It does not imply that there were "particular" giants.

[Sean]

Its like saying..."there were birds in the earth in those days"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"We were like grasshoppers to them."

I thought you meant supporting the angel procreation idea.

[shazeep]

i think the reality of giants supports the idea that it was not man's DNA solely that was responsible for them. We don't have any verses like, "Methuselah was 700 years old, and ate 4 sheep a day," or "his bed was 12 cubits long" or anything.

Sean brings up an interesting point; and while i don't see his interpretation, as the archaeological record just doesn't seem to support that, i do note that his quote clearly delineates "men" from "sons of God," in 6:1. The men in v1 are contrasted with the sons of God in v2, iow. "There were giants in the earth in those days" proceeds from the first going in of the sons of God; then the Lord said v3, essentially "Enough of this, man has 120 years left before i wipe him out with a flood," and then we have more coming into the daughters of men from the sons of God, making the mighty men of renown after the flood. Perhaps. The raven released from the Ark, that did not return, is supposed to be some clue about this, but beyond a hint, all i am finding is conjecture.

So, this is all i have, but you'll note two actual comings in to the daughters of men by the sons of God, with God's judgement in between them, which might explain the "giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward."
I just don't see Seth's, which is Adam's, progeny being anything other than "men."

[mfblume]

I still say there's too much leaping of assumption to say angels procreated just because we read of giants. There's too many variable factors that could account for that aside from the plain note angels don't marry.

[shazeep]

another point is that God related this to "striving with man," meaning prolly that men allowed this going in, and were a party to it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

another point is that God related this to "striving with man," meaning prolly that men allowed this going in, and were a party to it.

I think it simply means man was so sinful and God would not tolerate any more. So he gave 120 years for the flood to come first. They crossed the line.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I still say there's too much leaping of assumption to say angels procreated just because we read of giants. There's too many variable factors that could account for that aside from the plain note angels don't marry.

well, aren't supposed to, granted. thus, "left their first estate," perhaps, or even possibly never consummated as we understand it, but gene manipulated, which i am finding more and more probable. It is only recently, in the last 75 years or so, that we have begun manipulating genes again. "As in the days of Noah."