Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, the fact about me, I give little credence to ancient commentaries...Paul warned against false teachers to come, especially in his day. We need to let the Bible itself be the final authority, and not Jewish unbelievers like Josephus.

The problem is so many people don't know what the bible is saying.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

No, you did not answer the question at all...Jesus was speaking about Gen 6 in Matt. 24 and you know it.


Again who were "they" and "them" in the verse, angels or humans...Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Isnt it interesting that Jesus never mentioned demon babies when He said that His return would be like the days of Noah, but He did mention the HUMANS were caught up in illicit marriages...



37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Was "they" and "them" speaking of the demons marrying women, or the HUMANS marrying women?....Jesus was talking about the subject of marriage in Gen 6 right here in Matt. 24.


6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING OF THE ACCOUNT OF GEN. 6.....

Once again Jess does NOT say anything about ILLICIT activities. You are adding to what Jesus said. You want an answer to a question that is based on a false reading of what Jesus actually said.

Jesus was talking about how in the days of Noah people won't know the flood is coming as in our day they won't know the end is coming. No mention of illicit activities.

BTW why call them "Sons of God" and not rather just men? There were men during this time and they were already taking wives! Why should this be so astonishing for it to be mentioned in Chapter 6?

In fact go to Chap 5 and it shows men taking wives and living HUNDREDS OF YEARS...so this went on for quite a while.

They did not suddenly decide to take wives in Ch 6 like it never happened before.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

It is very chilling to think that demons could have mixed with humans. Of course, some people argue this is why Sodom and Gomorrah got burnt up, and why the flood took place, to destroy them. So, there are plenty of speculations, and opinions on both sides that seem logical. I personally don't know what to believe about it all.

I don't know that demons can do that. Are fallen angels demons? Was there a change?

If so maybe they changes after they sinned/fell and no longer have that ability (God took it away)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good points.

This explanation seems more logical, IMO, by Gill:

Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth - נפלים nephilim, from נפל naphal, “he fell.” Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion.

The Septuagint translate the original word by γιγαντες, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just distinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim, the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind.

These were the sons of God, who were born from above; children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints; the former were termed γιγαντες, earth-born, and the latter, ἁγιοι, i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.

According to Sean they were the people that were there in Noah's day...I wonder if they were on the Ark too with Noah...

BTW again context determines how words are used and the Nephilim were later described as a race of Giants

Words can't always be translated literally. For example we translate David's name as "David" not as what the word "David" means. We can do what you just did what any Hebrew word

Instead of Isaiah we can just translate it "And Yah has saved said to the King"

This is why a lot of newer translations don't translate Nephilim but transliterate it.

And most of the Lexicons I see admit they aren't sure how to render it BUT that it does refer to a race of Giants

1393a נְפִילִים (nĕpîlîm) giants, the Nephilim (Gen 6:4; Num 13:33, only).

While some scholars attempt to relate this term etymologically to nāpal I via the noun nēpel “untimely birth” or “miscarriage” (as productive of superhuman monstrosities), a more likely reconstruction is the proposal of a root nāpal II, akin to other weak verbs, pûl II “be wonderful, strong, mighty,” pālāʾ “be wonderful,” and even pālâ “separate, distinguish,” pālal “discriminate.” This pattern of semantically related groups of weak verbs with two strong consonants in common is a notably recurrent phenomenon in Hebrew lexicography. Actually, the translation “giants” is supported mainly by the LXX and may be quite misleading. The word may be of unknown origin and mean “heroes” or “fierce warriors” etc. The RSV and NIV transliteration “Nephilim” is safer and may be correct in referring the noun to a race or nation.


Fisher, M. C. (1999). 1393 נפל. In R. L. Harris, G. L. Archer, Jr. & B. K. Waltke (Eds.), Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (R. L. Harris, G. L. Archer, Jr. & B. K. Waltke, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (587). Chicago: Moody Press.

It's the later usage that adds to the idea that this race was a Giant race in Numbers

“The land that we went through to explore is a land that eats its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in its midst are ⌊men of great size⌋. 33 There we saw the Nephilim (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”

The Lexham English Bible. 2012 (W. H. Harris, III, E. Ritzema, R. Brannan, D. Mangum, J. Dunham, J. A. Reimer & M. Wierenga, Ed.) (Nu 13:32–33). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

These descendents of Anak are very tall people
Deu 9:2 a people great and tall, the sons of the Anakim, whom you know, and of whom you have heard it said, 'Who can stand before the sons of Anak?'



ANAK āʹnak [Heb. (hā)‘anāq]; ANAKIM anʹə-kim [Heb. ‘anāqîm; Gk. Enakim, Enakeim]; AV ANAKIMS. Some of the pre-Israelite inhabitants of Canaan, descendants of Arba (Josh. 15:13; 21:11). Their name may mean “people of the necklace.” They resided in the Hebron area, but may have occupied considerably more terrain originally (Josh. 11:21f). Hebrew tradition uniformly regarded the Anakim as a formidable people (cf. Dt. 2:10, 21; 9:2), who in Nu. 13:33 are regarded as descendants of the Nephilim (Gen. 6:4). While Joshua dispossessed them from the hill-country, it was left to Caleb to drive them out of Hebron completely.
The eighteenth-century B.C. Egyptian Execration Texts seem to point to the presence in Palestine ca 2000 B.C. of a tribe named Anak whose leaders bore Semitic names, but apart from this possible allusion there is no extrabiblical evidence for this ancient people.


Harrison, R. K. (1979–1988). Anak. In G. W. Bromiley (Ed.), . Vol. 1: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (G. W. Bromiley, Ed.) (120). Wm. B. Eerdmans.

[Praxeas]

The narrative does not make sense


Here we have men...humans...and all of a sudden the notice women? Does that make sense?

The previous few chapters mentioned Adam and his male offsprings all already having wives and children and up till chap 6 were never called "Sons of God"

In fact no other time does the phrase "Sons of God" occur in the OT except for Job and it refers to angels

[Sean]

According to Sean they were the people that were there in Noah's day...I wonder if they were on the Ark too with Noah...


To clarify, Everyone. including Noah and his children were Giants. And no, the "other" bigguns' were not on the Ark also.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

According to Sean they were the people that were there in Noah's day...I wonder if they were on the Ark too with Noah...

To clarify, Everyone. including Noah and his children were Giants. And no, the "other" bigguns' were not on the Ark also.

Then we all should be giants, since we all descended from them.

Yet only a specific race is mentioned as being Giants after the time of the exodus.

Where does it says that the early Hebrews were giants who got shorter as time went by?

my dear brother Sean, your tapdancing needs some improvement.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Once again Jess does NOT say anything about ILLICIT activities. You are adding to what Jesus said. You want an answer to a question that is based on a false reading of what Jesus actually said.

Lets look at it again...37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus mentions..."given in marriage", implying something worthy of sin an death to mankind. Notice He targets marriage, just like Gen. 6:2.....it completely agrees as reference passage to Jesus. Jesus was simply speaking of the written account of Gen. (also notice He mentions nothing of demon babies or angels AT ALL) It is YOU that deny the implications of problems with what the "given in marriage" statement means.(the only damning sin we see in Gen. 6 is a "marriage" problem, how can you not see the connection)?

Jesus was talking about how in the days of Noah people won't know the flood is coming as in our day they won't know the end is coming. No mention of illicit activities.

On the contrary, you just expect graphic detail of their sins, but they were not described in detail

BTW why call them "Sons of God" and not rather just men? There were men during this time and they were already taking wives! Why should this be so astonishing for it to be mentioned in Chapter 6?

Because, these men, that once began to "call on the name of the Lord", were considered spiritual "sons of God"...Just like we are today....If you and I fell into this situation of multiple wives these days, as spiritual sons of God we would have a verse written about us also, calling us the "sons of God' that went into the daughters of men, taking all which they chose...

In fact go to Chap 5 and it shows men taking wives and living HUNDREDS OF YEARS...so this went on for quite a while...

Their fornications took a while to infuriate the Lord, just like these days...


They did not suddenly decide to take wives in Ch 6 like it never happened before.

of course not....sins build up for Gods' wrath to occur...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Then we all should be giants, since we all descended from them.

Yet only a specific race is mentioned as being Giants after the time of the exodus.

They came from Noah bro. unless you know of another Ark we dont know of....

Where does it says that the early Hebrews were giants who got shorter as time went by?

my dear brother Sean, your tapdancing needs some improvement.

Well, you are wrong, the shorter you live, the less chance of growing longer. That is why God let man die at a younger age. Their growth slowed down..

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem is so many people don't know what the bible is saying.

Thats what all of us are doing here..trying to get to the bottom of it.