Angels reproducing with humans possible? - Page 11

FlamingZword · #**101** 09-07-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

4 For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment;

Ok in what manner did these angels sinned?

If these angels left their first habitation (state, form or persona) and went down and mingled with human females, that would be certainly a sin.

These Angels are now reserved in chains in tartarus until the day of judgment.

We know that there were giants upon the earth in ancient times, David killed Goliath, one of the last giants, while his men also killed another one of these last of the giants.

The Sons of Anak were giants, yet Caleb was able to defeat them.

So where did these giants came from?

If everyone in ancient times was a giant, that would mean that Noah and his sons were also giants, then how come the human race is not longer composed of giants?

FlamingZword · #**102** 09-07-2014, 10:30 PM

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Agreed, no weird, mystical stuff going on with angels and humans beings.

it could be because the Angels that fell into this sin are already under chains in Tartarus, so no Angels that would consider to commit this sin are available.

We know that the loyal angels of God would not consider this action.

The fallen angels which now lurk upon us, may be prevented from taking human form and repeat the sin of the "chained" angels.

Praxeas · #**103** 09-08-2014, 01:20 AM

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10 came back and misrepresented - defamed - what they saw and believed. That is a lie whether it's a lack of faith or not.

If you tell me God is not able, you are a liar.

They did not misrepresent what they saw. The narrator of the book of Numbers even supports it

They doubted they could take the land God promised them. They lacked faith. But the major issue being obfuscated is there were GIANTS in the land

Praxeas · #**104** 09-08-2014, 01:21 AM

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Location, location, location - it's all Hell, dude.

Hell is a bad translation of Hades/Sheol.

Praxeas · #**105** 09-08-2014, 01:23 AM

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Amen, folks are just "parroting" what some false theologians have taught and cannot look at it logically. Prior to the flood, there was no weird, mystical, visible, demonic activity rampant on the earth. Our days are compared with Noahs days...Why dont WE have the same situation as they supposedly did?
Because it never happened or God is definitely unfair to Noahs generation...(turning demons loose on these folks to take their women, while men look on, causing this so called horrendous sin of morphing to destroy the world)

Ive never heard anyone teach this. It's not like once a year my Pastor goes over this

Im looking at this logically and analytically...you can tell because I don't preface or end ever post with a stupid comment and a smiley face

Praxeas · #**106** 09-08-2014, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Ok in what manner did these angels sinned?

If these angels left their first habitation (state, form or persona) and went down and mingled with human females, that would be certainly a sin.

These Angels are now reserved in chains in tartarus until the day of judgment.

We know that there were giants upon the earth in ancient times, David killed Goliath, one of the last giants, while his men also killed another one of these last of the giants.

The Sons of Anak were giants, yet Caleb was able to defeat them.

So where did these giants came from?

If everyone in ancient times was a giant, that would mean that Noah and his sons were also giants, then how come the human race is not longer composed of giants?

I asked that...no answer. I asked when...no answer

Aquila · #**107** 09-08-2014, 08:21 AM

Jacob wrestled with an angel. Abraham had dinner with angels. If they can take on flesh and blood form and wrestle and eat... who knows what else they can do.

Aquila · #**108** 09-08-2014, 08:32 AM

Here is an interesting question...

In 2 Peter we read...

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

And in Jude we read...

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

Notice... these "angels" sinned. And their sin was so heinous that God had them bound until the day of Judgment. We know that this doesn't include Satan and his demons. So, who are these angels? And what sin did they commit? You'll notice that both Peter and Jude present this to their readers without any explanation, thereby indicating that their readers would understand the details of what they were writing about. Josephus, who represents a lot of 1st century understanding wrote concerning the "sons of God"...

"For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land." ~ Flavius Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, chapter 3

So, again... I ask... who were these angels and what sin did they commit? Clearly Peter and Jude wrote as though their audience would know from Scripture. Where else in Scripture do we find a sin so heinous that God would bind angels until the day of Judgment?

Sean · #**109** 09-08-2014, 01:54 PM

It does not tell us bro. , so it is only SPECULATION of who these angels are and what they did... You will need alot more than speculation to make this the doctrine of demon babies.

BTW...This demon baby debate has been going on long before Josephus came along...

Josephus and some heretical church fathers were influenced to believe Gen 6 was demon babies, by their belief in the Apocryphal book of Enoch(which they regarded as sacred scripture). This book of Enoch teaches that Satan had sex with Eve to produce her 2nd son(Cain)......

Citing heretics in the early centuries makes weak arguments...you should read this...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Iq9gEVqmswnZ0Q

Sean · #**110** 09-08-2014, 02:03 PM

Isnt it interesting that Jesus never mentioned demon babies when He said that His return would be like the days of Noah, but He did mention the HUMANS were caught up in illicit marriages...

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Was "they" and "them" speaking of the demons marrying women, or the HUMANS marrying women?....Jesus was talking about the subject of marriage in Gen 6 right here in Matt. 24.

What say ye?.....LOL