Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #71  
Old 09-02-2014, 09:17 AM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Homosexuality question

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa View Post
No, I mean what thread should I post the information?
Do as you please, lol...
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 09-02-2014, 09:27 AM
houston houston is offline
Isaiah 56:4-5


 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SOUTH ZION
Posts: 11,307
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa View Post
Well next time you need something witty to say just converse with your Feline Familiar.
Wow
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 09-02-2014, 12:26 PM
nahkoe's Avatar
nahkoe nahkoe is offline
Mama to four little angels.


 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,053
Re: Homosexuality question

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa View Post
Well next time you need something witty to say just converse with your Feline Familiar.

Quote:
Originally Posted by houston View Post
Wow
Well, I think it's funny.
__________________
You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on

God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 09-02-2014, 02:07 PM
Jason B Jason B is offline
Saved by Grace


 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Decatur, TX
Posts: 5,247
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston View Post
Most of us would agree that homosexuality is a sin. Other than "the bible says so." Why is it a
Sin?

I have been talking to a kid for a few days. He is gay and has been looking for a church. Today he asked why it's wrong for him to be gay. Why is it wrong for him to love a man.

Other than "the bible says so" I didn't have an answer, so I haven't replied.
Lunch break. Can't read the whole thread. Only read the OP and skimmed.

But in a nutshell what's wrong with "the Bible says so"?

Its an appeal to Divine authority, the Word of the Living God, our Creator and Judge.
__________________
"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards

"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship

"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill

Last edited by Jason B; 09-02-2014 at 02:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 09-02-2014, 04:20 PM
endtimer's Avatar
endtimer endtimer is offline
friendly to the sinners


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Mid-west
Posts: 529
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston View Post
Most of us would agree that homosexuality is a sin. Other than "the bible says so." Why is it a Sin? I have been talking to a kid for a few days. He is gay and has been looking for a church. Today he asked why it's wrong for him to be gay. Why is it wrong for him to love a man. Other than "the bible says so" I didn't have an answer, so I haven't replied.
Prax and others have articulated an answer to this question better than I could. So I submit... It's because the UPCI says so, that's why.
__________________
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin
-Commit2013-
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 09-02-2014, 06:55 PM
OneAccord's Avatar
OneAccord OneAccord is offline
"One Mind...OneAccord"


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 3,919
Re: Homosexuality question

I wrote the following sometime back. However, after reading it, I felt it might be offensive to some. But after reading some of this discussion I decided to re-write it and post it. BE WARNED: Some may find some of this too graphic and offensive. If so, please accept my apology. But... I just feel its time to stop ignoring the elephant....


Doth not nature
itself teach you…. 1Co 11:14



This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. -1 Tim 3:1-5


In having a biblical discussion with a Christian acquaintance recently about the freedoms we hold so dear (and, sadly, often take for granted,), my friend brought up his belief that the Constitution guarantees us the right to “…life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. He then dropped a bombshell by saying this makes the gay lifestyle okay. I had noticed that he rather sloppily changed the discussion from the Bible to politics. He also blundered by saying the Constitution, rather than the Declaration of Independence grants us the right he had quoted.

This is a favorite ploy of those promoting the gay agenda, They turn the discussion to politics. I’ll get into why God and the Bible is avoided like the plague in these types of discussion later.

The problem of all the gay rights rhetoric is that it ignores the big rainbow colored elephant in the middle of the room. Its only by ignoring the elephant that the gay rights agenda can be promoted. And its also by ignoring the elephant that those opposed to the gay agenda are being soundly defeated. That elephant is not gay marriage. Its not gay rights. Its gay sex. I know. Shocking, isn’t it? About as shocking as Paul when he wrote, It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 1Co 5:1. People just don’t talk about such things. Well, there’s the problem. We don’t talk about it. We ignore the elephant, and by doing so, the ol’ elephant is free to roam and do as he pleases. After all, he does have the unalienable right to “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness”, doesn’t he?

My friend didn’t want to talk about it. He said “its not all about sex”. He’s right. Marriage, any marriage, isn’t “just about sex“ . But lets face it… SEX is a major part of all marriages. I reminded him that he was the one that brought up the subject of gay marriages, and now that he had, we should talk about it with honesty and frankness.

Sex is a part of the gay lifestyle. Some may find this shocking and disgusting, but for the briefest of minutes, lets think about gay sex. Okay, that’s enough. Now, the question is, “Doth not nature itself teach you….” this activity is against God’s plan? The primary purpose of marriage is procreation. “Doth not nature itself teach….” us that procreation cannot be achieved without a male and female involved? I mean everything living that reproduces requires a male and female participant. Nature teaches us that. And, nature teaches us that the very primary and basic purpose of life on earth (i.e. procreation) can only be achieved by following God’s original plan.

Of course, there are those that will counter, “But sex isn’t just about procreation”. And, they are right. Sex is a part of a loving relationship between a married couple. It is an expression of love. It is a beautiful experience. But, again, for the briefest of seconds, lets stop to consider sex between members of the same sex. How is sex performed? As offensive and distasteful as this might be, we must face the facts. . To be blunt, for sexual penetration to be performed between, lets say, two males, body orifices that weren’t designed for insertion are penetrated. Painfully at first, I might add. Often, even damaging. There are a host of medical issues that are being risked when one engages in this type of unhealthy and un-natural activity. “Does not nature itself teach you…“ this is wrong? The fact that life was created for the purpose of procreation should be enough to tell us that homosexuality is against nature and is therefore wrong. Procreation cannot be achieved without a male and female. This is true for birds, the bees and for humans. So, any deviation from the original plan of procreation is wrong.

But, some argue, it brings pleasure. Yes it may do that… but the question we must ask, if our pursuit of pleasure counters what God intends for us… doesn’t that make us “lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God”? Doesn’t that put us in the category with those of whom Paul wrote: “…. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness….”?
I believe that passage ends with these words “… from such turn away.”

Paul said in 1Co 11:14 “Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?” If nature taught Paul that long hair on a man was a shame, what did Paul think about what nature teaches about homosexuality? We can turn to Romans 1 to find that out. And its here that we find out that homosexuality (and other sins, I might add) are symptomatic to an even greater sin in the human heart.

The “greater sin” that concerned Paul begin with Rom. 1: 18 and continues to the end of the chapter. These people of whom Paul writes knew the truth of right and wrong but gave themselves over to the “ungodliness and unrighteousness men”. They chose to pursue the wrong, They burned in their lustful hearts for that which satisfies the flesh. The imaginations became vain and the hearts became dark to the glorious Light of the Gospel. They felt they had a right to live their own life…. But when life is filled with lust, it leads to sin. And sin ends in death. Like the serpent in the Garden they pervert Gods Word and believe the lies spewing from hell. Listen to what Paul said: Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
“Doth not nature tell you….” this is a sin? Men …burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (unnatural)…” Doth not nature itself teach you… this is a sin in the eyes of God?
What greater sin can there be? Paul tells us : “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge….”. This is the root sin from which grown the ensnaring vines of all sin listed in Rom. 1 and elsewhere. The gay community does not want this to be a spiritual or biblical discussion because in so doing they are forced to think about God.. They want this to be a political debate for there is no God in today’s political arena. They don’t want God in their thoughts let alone in any discussion because they can’t think about the holiness and righteousness of God while living an unholy and ungodly lifestyle. Of these Paul writes in 1 Thess 2: 11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Doth not nature itself teach you…? Friend, if the pursuit of life ends in eternal death, then perhaps that’s no life at all. If your pursuit of liberty only brings you to bondage, then maybe you need the Truth which really set the captive free.. And if your pursuit of happiness brings you to shame and sorrow…. Maybe you should know there is joy in living your life in Jesus.
__________________
"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7

Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 09-02-2014, 07:29 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Homosexuality question

OneAccord - well spoken. Thank you for acknowledging the elephant in the room kindly, discreetly, and with eternal truths.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 09-03-2014, 08:07 AM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Homosexuality question

There is homosexuality in nature.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 09-03-2014, 08:20 AM
Evang.Benincasa's Avatar
Evang.Benincasa Evang.Benincasa is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood too


 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 40,356
Re: Homosexuality question

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
There is homosexuality in nature.
So is cannibalism?
__________________
"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 09-03-2014, 08:49 AM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Homosexuality question

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa View Post
So is cannibalism?
Maybe someone else got the point?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jail/Homosexuality Tim Rutledge Fellowship Hall 174 07-15-2013 09:06 AM
Homosexuality cmgibson Deep Waters 8 01-31-2011 02:00 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Amanah
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.