Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

[charity]

[Max Cosme]

Good Apostolic preaching. NOT.

[Grandmasue]

Apostolic Identity teaching needs to be set aside and some good old fashioned manners, compassion and truth telling should be taught. Does anyone really believe that anyone preaches for 20 minutes with someone wrapping the arm around their ankles and snot dripping off their shoes?

[Abiding Now]

If what he says is true it's a sad day for LT.

[n david]

2 hit pieces on Hoffman...what's your beef with him, "Charity?"

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

If what he says is true it's a sad day for LT.

I didn't even comprehend what he was saying in the Kilgore video, so I guess I'm missing the scandal.

As for the other video--definitely in terrible taste. I can't imagine my pastor EVER making a reference like that. There were better ways to make sure his audience knew he was talking about someone from Africa.

I don't know enough about Harold Hoffman to connect his comment to racism rather than really poor taste. I hope it's the latter instead of the former, but who knows? I've heard him teach at Oklahoma family camp and I enjoyed his sessions.

People do make mistakes and insert their feet in their mouths occasionally. Well, except for the people who like to post videos of preachers like these--they've never made poor judgment calls or said something they later wished they hadn't.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I didn't even comprehend what he was saying in the Kilgore video, so I guess I'm missing the scandal.

As for the other video--definitely in terrible taste. I can't imagine my pastor EVER making a reference like that. There were better ways to make sure his audience knew he was talking about someone from Africa.

I don't know enough about Harold Hoffman to connect his comment to racism rather than really poor taste. I hope it's the latter instead of the former, but who knows? I've heard him teach at Oklahoma family camp and I enjoyed his sessions.

People do make mistakes and insert their feet in their mouths occasionally. Well, except for the people who like to post videos of preachers like these--they've never made poor judgment calls or said something they later wished they hadn't.

And there it is...your patented defense of the indefensible.

In the video posted Harold Hoffman:

• Divulged private information about a strained relationship between a father and son.
• Stated that the son is "an embarrassment" presumably to his recently deceased father and, more importantly, the UPC, which he recently left..
• Stated that he didn't care that his comments were on tape.

Now, all of this was prefaced with the remark that Life Tabernacle is "gone" and that it was the largest foreign missions donor before departing.

The real issue here is anger. Anger because the money flow into FM slowed.

So the man impugned Jim Kilgore's character and insulted the relationship between he and his father, all in front of a world wide audience only 3 months after the Elder's death.

At the very least he acted in poor taste. There was no love in that message.

But you will give him a free pass because doing so is necessary to your agenda.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Charnock

And there it is...your patented defense of the indefensible.

My post wasn't much of a defense. LOL!!! I barely gave an opinion one way or the other, and I confessed I couldn't understand what he was saying about Bro. Kilgore. (ergo, I can't have an opinion about that)

...At the very least he acted in poor taste. There was no love in that message.

Isn't that precisely what I said? (referring to the OTHER video...not the Kilgore video)

But you will give him a free pass because doing so is necessary to your agenda.

Nope, I didn't give him a free pass, and I don't know what "agenda" you're talking about, unless you're referring to the fact that I withhold my full opinion until I have the facts. I DO think it's a contradiction to cry foul because Bro. Kilgore was embarrassed in some way and then make sure to share that video far and wide. The person who is spreading the video is perfectly FINE with shaming Bro. Kilgore publicly--since it suits THEIR agenda.

Nice try, though.

[MissBrattified]

You could have started your post like this:

"Since you couldn't understand the first video, here's a synopsis of what he said:"

Originally Posted by Charnock

• Divulged private information about a strained relationship between a father and son.
• Stated that the son is "an embarrassment" presumably to his recently deceased father and, more importantly, the UPC, which he recently left..
• Stated that he didn't care that his comments were on tape.

Now, all of this was prefaced with the remark that Life Tabernacle is "gone" and that it was the largest foreign missions donor before departing.

The real issue here is anger. Anger because the money flow into FM slowed.

So the man impugned Jim Kilgore's character and insulted the relationship between he and his father, all in front of a world wide audience only 3 months after the Elder's death.

At the very least he acted in poor taste. There was no love in that message.
...

See how much more civil your post is without the completely unnecessary first and last comments? Holding my opinions until I know at least as much as can be known is called prudence; not an agenda.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You could have started your post like this:

"Since you couldn't understand the first video, here's a synopsis of what he said:"

See how much more civil your post is without the completely unnecessary first and last comments? Holding my opinions until I know at least as much as can be known is called prudence; not an agenda.

Except you do have an agenda, and it colors everything you post.

You jump in at every chance to marginalize those who post threads like these.

The video is not hard to understand.

The man expressed sorrow for the loss of money but none for the death of James Kilgore or his son's exit.

Words matter. He spoke what was in his heart.

Stop defending him.