The resurrection of Jesus, the firstfruits of them that sleep, is the best evidence of an afterlife and the only one we need. How can NDE's prove life after death if they were only near death and never actually died?
that's not exactly what NDE means. More like patients that are clinically dead and resuscitated. Consciousness continues.
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that's not exactly what NDE means. More like patients that are clinically dead and resuscitated. Consciousness continues.
Actually, NDE is exactly a near-death experience. Brain activity can take place even if they can't be detected with the equipment we have today. Stopped hearts are restarted routinely, these days. There is a point of no return, where resuscitation will not be possible, but even that can't be determined reliably.
If there has been no heartbeat or brain activity for, say, a year, you will not have an NDE to document!
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Actually, NDE is exactly a near-death experience. Brain activity can take place even if they can't be detected with the equipment we have today. Stopped hearts are restarted routinely, these days. There is a point of no return, where resuscitation will not be possible, but even that can't be determined reliably.
If there has been no heartbeat or brain activity for, say, a year, you will not have an NDE to document!
So the prescence of brain activity would cause the visions, dreams and other things that are then remembered when resuscitated?
So the prescence of brain activity would cause the visions, dreams and other things that are then remembered when resuscitated?
That would describe what I think happens, yes. The brain keeps working, but in a very different mode. It is being deprived of oxygen, so it isn't working as normal. I suppose most people in that state just "keep going" and don't come back to consciousness. They die. But they probably experience the dreams/visions that are reported for NDEs. Some think it's nature's way of making death a bit more palatable. I dunno. Kinda makes sense, I guess.
So when people do come back from the brink, we get to find out what it was like. I've heard that one's religion often plays a role in how that pans out: Christians see a light, a wonderful place (heaven), maybe even see Jesus.
I don't know what agnostics see! Guess I'll find out some day.
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So the prescence of brain activity would cause the visions, dreams and other things that are then remembered when resuscitated?
On top of that, many would have us believe that these visions, dreams, and experiences (which are uniformly described) are the same for everyone. Although, one would think that if such were merely brain activity, they would be vastly different from one another given religious traditions, the lack thereof, and memories of personal experiences. Yet the majority describe being out of body and can describe even visual realities such as what individuals are wearing, the time on the wall, what others might be doing miles away, etc. They also describe being lifted up and a tunnel that appears to lead to an indescribable light. They describe the presence of spiritual beings (angels or spirit guides?) along with friends and family who have passed on. A form of "life review" routinely takes place. Then they encounter "the light" of indescribable love and beauty. They might try to identify the light within the framework of their religious traditions, but it is still "the light". They are routinely told that it "isn't their time" or that they "must return" to accomplish some purpose in their lives. Then they suddenly find themselves back in body or being drawn back towards their bodies at an indescribable rate of speed, and suddenly awaken. Most testify that the religious traditions previously embraced are incomplete and the reality of "Heaven" is beyond religion's scope. Most testify that the primary calling of God is to love unconditionally. And the list of similarities across the board can go on and on.
Then, if we get into "negative" NDEs we discover people describing being banished from "the light" or "falling from the light" or simply "falling". A very disturbing "life review" takes place. Darkness, fire, and monstrous entities are often encountered. Terror and torment are present. The sense of being in the grips of indescribable evil overwhelms them to the point of some actually having suicidal feelings after awakening. And then... many report that they are then "saved by the light", told it "isn't their time" and to "remember" this horror, and then they are brought back into their bodies.
Almost universally this ends with a deep and personal spiritual quest or calling to discover and share personal spiritual fulfillment.
That doesn't sound like "bran activity" to me. Even atheists have had these experiences (many, if not most, don't remain atheists). And they don't report seeing Ronald McDonald, Donald Duck, Iron Man or some fictional being of their imagination, memories, or previous experiences. They still encounter "the light". If it were brain activity the dreams and visions would be strictly limited to one's own personal beliefs, traditions, experiences, and memories. These experiences wouldn't be so similar to everyone else's, though they might be viewed or interpreted through the stained glass widows of one's traditions or beliefs.
The light always identifies itself as God, even if a person projects their understanding of God upon the light. However, there is one exception. Atheists don't report the light describing itself as their "higher self" or "subconscious". It still identifies itself rather generally as God, often leaving them in bewilderment, panic, or protest. Wouldn't their "dream" reflect their actual beliefs?
There is definitely "something" indescribable that people are encountering. Even people who don't believe in it. That, to me, testifies to these experiences being very real.
That doesn't sound like "bran activity" to me. Even atheists have had these experiences. If it were brain activity the dreams and visions would be limited to one's own personal beliefs, traditions, experiences, and memories. It wouldn't be so similar to everyone else's.
Yes, "Bran activity" usually has more of a movement effect. LOL!
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Yes, "Bran activity" usually has more of a movement effect. LOL!
It's the parallels and similarities found in these experiences, in spite of religious traditions or worldviews, that I find interesting. Also, when out of body, how can they describe first responders, EMS staff, and often even the number of people present? How can they describe family that arrived AFTER their "time of death", including what they where wearing and saying often away from their body in a lobby or family room? Also, in some cases they are aware of events and conversations happening miles away from the place of death. How can that be?
It's the parallels and similarities found in these experiences, in spite of religious traditions or worldviews, that I find interesting. Also, when out of body, how can they describe first responders, EMS staff, and often even the number of people present? How can they describe family that arrived AFTER their "time of death", including what they where wearing and saying often away from their body in a lobby or family room? Also, in some cases they are aware of events and conversations happening miles away from the place of death. How can that be?
Right over your head: whoosh! (Look again at what she quoted. )
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