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[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My problem with your argument is not about his use of the word idiot. We can both agree that it was problematic. My problem is you calling him a liar and saying he took Maxwell's quote out of context.

He did take Maxwell's quote out of context. Maxwell said nothing about blaming Pastors for the sins of others. As to whether he took SG's comments out of context, I don't know yet.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You don't know that he took it out of context because you don't know what SG even said, exactly. Having established that fact, even if you knew what SG had said, exactly, it doesn't negate the fact that JA interpreted the quote in the context of how he heard it or how the context of the quote came across to him personally.

So then anyone is free to misinterpret and be willfully ignorant about the context something is said, and that's ok with you? It's not right! You cannot claim someone said something if they did not...regardless of how you interpret it. If SG did not say what JA said he did, that is a lie. It's not just his view or interpretation.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That doesn't make him a liar. It means he heard something in the context of the said quote that caused him to focus on that one point and vehemently disagree with it.

IF, and you don't like if's...but IF that's what SG said. Again, Maxwell does not blame Pastors, which is what JA said. Maybe SG did. It would be a really dumb comment to make, considering SG is a seasoned Pastor.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm disappointed that in order to win the argument, you would go so far as to call JA a liar and be proud that you did with no regret.

PO, if someone claims that a person said something that person didn't say, it's a lie. I teach this to my daughter, and it's the same (doubly so) for ministers. And FTR, I haven't come out and said JA lied, I said "If SG did not say what JA claimed he said, then that is a lie."

And no, I wouldn't regret it. I've had preachers lie to me before and I've called them out on it. I don't care what your title is, if you say something which isn't true, it's a lie.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

As to whether he took SG's comments out of context, I don't know yet.

Exactly!

[n david]

If a person claims someone said something they did not say, is that a lie? Yes or no?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

If a person claims someone said something they did not say, is that a lie? Yes or no?

Get me the exact quote by SG and we can discuss it further.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Get me the exact quote by SG and we can discuss it further.

You don't need it to answer this simple question.

In general, if a person claims someone said something which they did not say, is that a lie? Yes or no?

Is it really that hard for you to answer?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

You don't need it to answer this simple question.

In general, if a person claims someone said something which they did not say, is that a lie? Yes or no?

Is it really that hard for you to answer?

Until you can work this out,

Originally Posted by n david

As to whether he took SG's comments out of context, I don't know yet.

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You don't have a legitimate question that needs an answer.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You don't have a legitimate question that needs an answer.

Wow, you can't even answer a basic question. I'm shocked.

The answer is yes. If a person claims someone said something they did not, that is a lie.

Earlier you said it didn't matter what was was said by SG, now you want me to show what was said. Which is it?

You keep moving the goalposts.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, please order the DVD's. It won't matter what it says.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Get me the exact quote by SG and we can discuss it further.

Which is it, PO?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

David, If he was directing the idiot comment toward one minister, I would wonder why he would go on to say, "I wish I could get a pastor that would agree with me right now."

I find it hard to believe that he is wishing another pastor on the platform would agree that the one minister in question is an idiot. It seems he is wanting someone to agree that the Maxwell statement is idiotic.

Anyway, if he has apologized, as has been stated, which means he had to have also apologized to God as well, are we saying to God that it isn't enough?

PO you're spinning it like a top.

The fact is JA attacked Gleason. Everyone knew it.

It was crass, arrogant, uncalled for, and out of place.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Wow, you can't even answer a basic question. I'm shocked.

The answer is yes. If a person claims someone said something they did not, that is a lie.

Earlier you said it didn't matter what was was said by SG, now you want me to show what was said. Which is it?

You keep moving the goalposts.

Originally Posted by n david

Which is it, PO?

I'm not playing your little cat and mouse game, David. You know exactly what I said and how I view it. You know that my point was the "take away".

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You don't know that he took it out of context because you don't know what SG even said, exactly. Having established that fact, even if you knew what SG had said, exactly, it doesn't negate the fact that JA interpreted the quote in the context of how he heard it or how the context of the quote came across to him personally.