I would agree with you, except that JA specifically acknowledges that the quote did not come from the minister, but from another source, Maxwell.
I think you should look at the clip again, PO. He specifically said, "I don't know which one of you guys said it, I know it came from John Maxwell cause I heard it. But WHOEVER IT IS DON'T GET OFFENDED, that junk I heard today about, 'well if you got a bunch of hell and chaos and crisis in your church after 3 years being there, it's your fault.' YOU'RE AN IDIOT."
Now PO, it doesn't take an English professor to understand that JA is NOT talking talking about Maxwell when he says "You're an idiot. "
You're desperately trying to cover for JA, and normally I'd say it's admirable, but it's not. Not in this case.
Maybe JA didn't get that out of context. He seems to be commenting further, as have you.
Keep trying. I'm still looking for the quote, but if it's similar to what Triumphant1 posted, then I was right and JA took it completely out of context. I mean he butchered it! He needs help with his reading and comprehension! That wasn't even close to what Maxwell said.
Again, I'm waiting to watch SG's message and see how badly JA took it out of context.
Maybe he was "speaking evangelistically." Or maybe JA is the idiot who needs brain surgery. He's talking about a picture... how's that for a picture!? Haha!
Keep trying. I'm still looking for the quote, but if it's similar to what Triumphant1 posted, then I was right and JA took it completely out of context. I mean he butchered it! He needs help with his reading and comprehension! That wasn't even close to what Maxwell said.
Again, I'm waiting to watch SG's message and see how badly JA took it out of context.
Maybe he was "speaking evangelistically." Or maybe JA is the idiot who needs brain surgery. He's talking about a picture... how's that for a picture!? Haha!
I am now diverted - #SOTU
Someone just Tweeted - Will the last freed slave Shelia Jackson Lee get another photo-op with Obama? Hahahahahahahahaha!
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I think you should look at the clip again, PO. He specifically said, "I don't know which one of you guys said it, I know it came from John Maxwell cause I heard it. But WHOEVER IT IS DON'T GET OFFENDED, that junk I heard today about, 'well if you got a bunch of hell and chaos and crisis in your church after 3 years being there, it's your fault.' YOU'RE AN IDIOT."
Now PO, it doesn't take an English professor to understand that JA is NOT talking talking about Maxwell when he says "You're an idiot. "
You're desperately trying to cover for JA, and normally I'd say it's admirable, but it's not. Not in this case.
Sorry, David. I did listen to it again. I'd have to hear what JA had to say about it. This discussion is not going anywhere because we aren't speaking to anyone who was involved.
You failed to highlight the word MOST before every….just saying.
It's what I meant to say. I have tried to explain what I meant. MOST every problem I dealt with as a new pastor was a carry over from the former…I said most every NOT EVERY!! There were some big problems that cropped up in my first three years that were not present in the former administrations.
When I said, "Finally, I came to a place where every situation I dealt with was current to my tenure. Not my fault--just on my watch!" I was talking about the CONTEXT in which the original teaching I heard was focused on--tenure not fault. That at some point you get to pastor only the problems that crop up on your watch. Your tenure. There was NO assignment of blame in the teaching and that is what the last statement is referring to.
I will say for sure (and agree with JA) that not every problem was or is my fault--how can I be the blame for someone committing adultery or turning out to be homosexual, or dying in a car wreck? But I did have to deal with these situations during my tenure whereas they were not an issue under my predecessor because those people didn't go to church when he pastored it. They were on my watch.
I hope that clears up my contribution to this discussion.
See here is the funny thing about all this JA talk. The man has been a fixture at BOTT for years. He is not any different today than he was 20 years or even 30 years ago.
and people are still talking about him.
The weird thing about this thread is, for some its like this is all a shocking new revalation! Like Oh my goodness can you believe JA said that???
come one people! YES WE CAN ALL BELEIVE HE SAID SOME STUFF THAT SOME OF YOU JUST FREAK OUT ABOUT. Why? Because he always says some stuff that freak people out.
WHY ARE YOU SHOCKED??????
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See here is the funny thing about all this JA talk. The man has been a fixture at BOTT for years. He is not any different today than he was 20 years or even 30 years ago.
and people are still talking about him.
The weird thing about this thread is, for some its like this is all a shocking new revalation! Like Oh my goodness can you believe JA said that???
come one people! YES WE CAN ALL BELEIVE HE SAID SOME STUFF THAT SOME OF YOU JUST FREAK OUT ABOUT. Why? Because he always says some stuff that freak people out.
WHY ARE YOU SHOCKED??????
He's never attacked another minister before, that's why the shock.
I'm not shocked he said the alleged slurs against gays, he's been saying that for decades.
I am shocked and disappointed that he openly and publicly attacked a fellow minister.
He's never attacked another minister before, that's why the shock.
I'm not shocked he said the alleged slurs against gays, he's been saying that for decades.
I am shocked and disappointed that he openly and publicly attacked a fellow minister.
I didnt listen to the tape. I did see the quote here. was it one particular preacher that everyone knows who he was talking about or was it a comment that he used to extend out to a general comment?
Because I have heard him say similar things in general and use the word Idiot in relation to preachers causing problems.
that isnt that unusual.
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Oh, and by the way, having survived a few nasty bouts that involved pastors....
in one instance, my dad was the head of the church board, while my FATHER IN LAW was one of the main movers in a coup attempt that turned into a church split. He eventually became the head of the church board of the split.
That all happened during the second year of my marriage... As a board member, I have personally been involved in the asking for a resignation of a pastor who had issues keeping his pants up around his waste. And then deal with the fallout from that.
Im good with some elder preacher standing up and telling guys not to be IDIOTS. They need to hear it from time to time.
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I didnt listen to the tape. I did see the quote here. was it one particular preacher that everyone knows who he was talking about or was it a comment that he used to extend out to a general comment?
It was directed at one minister who spoke during the day. People there knew who he was talking about.
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