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Pressing-On · #71 01-25-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

It's a public conference, not a closed board meeting. If you look at the info, really anyone can go and call themselves a church worker to be able to attend, so I don't have an issue posting the clip.

David, You would produce a video clip on YouTube with that title in order to proclaim and promote hate toward JA? Is that the Christian thing to do? Everyone knows how JA is. If they continue to allow him to preach, that isn't anyone's business who is outside of the UPCI. That is my opinion.

Truthseeker · #72 01-25-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

What are you both talking about?

Calling other christians names is not justifiable. There was an apology from someone from poa fur the "Arnold fiasco". Damage control

Roxanne Murphy · #73 01-25-2014, 08:53 PM

Pretty sad, but not exactly an anomaly in UPC preacher ranks, the whole, "Bless God, if they don't get it, it is their fault, not mine." Totally flies in the face of the scriptural definitions of a minister. And forasmuch as YouTube is the media of choice for all of the video clips that make the traditional Pentecostal crowds cheer and applaud, it is absolutely fitting that they see, "the rest of the story." There was no Spirit of God in that diatribe. Sad, I too used to enjoy some of JA's earlier messages.

KeptByTheWord · #74 01-25-2014, 10:46 PM

When I was listening to the clip, all I could think was that this sounds like a man who is very, very burnt out. He needs to take a break from the ministry. He is blaming all his troubles on people who don't want to listen. Thing is... his job is to preach... and it is the Lord's job to save, not his. When people get to thinking they are responsible for other people's salvation, burn out is always an end result.

I used to enjoy JA's preaching years ago, and I have a friend who visits his church from time to time, and it is a thriving church from her accounts. No doubt the Lord has done a great work through his ministry. But from hearing what he had to say, it is obvious that he is burnt out.

With the advent of the Internet, we all must be very careful what we say, no matter where we are, especially if phones are present. Anyone now with a phone can videotape anything being said or done. There is no more privacy, and even though damage control is trying to be done, the damage has already been done. He has exposed himself, and his heart's condition, and there will be a price to pay.

pilgram · #75 01-25-2014, 11:50 PM

Have watched POA services before. Their real liberal with the celebration of pagan holiday's and whatnot but Pastor Anthony always has a good spirit and you can see why they have such a successful church. As far as Jeff Arnold goes whoever said that his messages from years ago were good but he's off now hit the nail on the head.

It's a shame when things like that are said on ANY platform.

n david · #76 01-26-2014, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

With the advent of the Internet, we all must be very careful what we say, no matter where we are, especially if phones are present. Anyone now with a phone can videotape anything being said or done. There is no more privacy, and even though damage control is trying to be done, the damage has already been done. He has exposed himself, and his heart's condition, and there will be a price to pay.

They record the services and sell DVDs of the whole conference... have since the 80s.

barry72 · #77 01-26-2014, 07:24 AM

This just goes along to say that ministers aren't perfect. There is a problem when we think we can't correct a minister because he's "anointed". There's no Accountability anymore. Any man that tears down another man in the pulpit is not fit to lead a pack of wolves of you ask me.

Pressing-On · #78 01-26-2014, 08:09 AM

Comments on YouTube regarding the clip:

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Jonathan King
9 hours ago

I'm very confused...

First, how was he slamming Gleason? He specifically said that he knew that he was quoting Maxwell...

Second, he wasn't slamming residents of Gainesville, he was slamming people who are supposed to be Christians, specifically Apostolics, in Gainesville...

Thirdly, for you to make the statement that he is "slamming the rest of humanity" (as well as the rest of the comments made in the title of this clip) is quite simply proof of your simply trying to twist something that obviously wasn't intended to be offensive and would not be taken offensively by anyone with the right spirit and understanding of what the man was preaching about... It was a conference geared specifically towards preachers and pastors...

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crmeezy
9 hours ago

You don't know what you're talking about. Jeff Arnold is considered by almost all of Pentecost as one of the best preachers in the world. I concur, and as a member of the United Pentecostal Church in Gainesville, FL, I can say that he's an even better pastor than he is a preacher.

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Eva Martinez
10 hours ago

Dear brother, first of all Bro. Gleason and Bro Arnold are good friends. Second, Pastor Arnold was slamming the statement on leadership that Gleason or another speaker quoted from Maxwell. It doesn't make sense at all. Ex: Was God a bad leader because Adam disobeyed? How about Prophet Samuel? was he a bad leader when Israel rejected GOD to have Saul rule over them? Jesus had 12 for 3 years and one Betrayed him! WAS JESUS A BAD LEADER?
Third point, I was at BOTT and I am from Gainesville. We thank God for our Pastor, WE LOVE HIM and HE IS A REAL MAN OF GOD THAT LOVES GOD AND HATES EVIL!
The word he preached was the word needed to end the awesome conference with prophetic insight.

Sasha · #79 01-26-2014, 09:14 AM

Years ago, it would be said that people who made certain claims against a preacher saying something was a bitter or hateful person or whatever and their claims would be dismissed. Can't do that when anyone can record it!

Now that I think back about claims that have been made and I personally dismissed and believed the telling person was bitter and hateful, I think, wow, did they really have a valid claim after all?

n david · #80 01-26-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Comments on YouTube regarding the clip:

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Jonathan King
9 hours ago

I'm very confused...

First, how was he slamming Gleason? He specifically said that he knew that he was quoting Maxwell...

Second, he wasn't slamming residents of Gainesville, he was slamming people who are supposed to be Christians, specifically Apostolics, in Gainesville...

Thirdly, for you to make the statement that he is "slamming the rest of humanity" (as well as the rest of the comments made in the title of this clip) is quite simply proof of your simply trying to twist something that obviously wasn't intended to be offensive and would not be taken offensively by anyone with the right spirit and understanding of what the man was preaching about... It was a conference geared specifically towards preachers and pastors...

Jonathan King is confused....or as Jeff Arnold would say, "He's an idiot, and he needs brain surgery."

JA motioned to the speakers seated on the platform and mentioned one of them gave the quote. He then said that person was an idiot, and at the end that he needed brain surgery. How in the world was that not meant to be offensive? Since when did publicly insulting another minister become acceptable?

And King is also wrong about the conference. It includes other church leaders, not just preachers and pastors.