Why men hate church

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So...men don't go to church because they can't share their feelings? Yet the same system also means women can't share either....

So men don't go because they want to share their feelings and women do go because they don't want to share their feelings?

What planet are YOU from?

If men are going to a house church so they can 'share their feelings' they are effeminate and so is that house church.

A proper biblical church will have men who go to 'speak in the gates' as it were, and be about the Kingdom's business. This means church discipline, doctrinal teaching and examination, etc, as well as the manifestation of spiritual gifts.

And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. (2 Tim 2:2)

Men are to be learning the teachings of Jesus, and how to transmit that knowledge to others.

Men are to be teachers, leaders, and examples. Some are to become deacons (ministers, servants of the church) and bishops (overseers, elders). Some are 'go forth' spreading the word through whatever gift God has given them.

The church is not supposed to be an 'event' 2 or 3 times a week where people do a sing-a-long, have an emotional catharsis, listen to a 'grand speech', dump money into a plate, and then go home back to their regularly scheduled lives.

Teaching, singing (the purpose of which is to teach and admonish), praying, exhorting one another, ministering to one another, etc should be the regular activity of the church.

Men will learn to be men, fathers, husbands, leaders. Women will learn to be mothers, wives, learning to guide the house. Children will learn to GROW UP into MEN and WOMEN.

No 'program', whether modern church or house church, is going to get it done. It takes a revamping of our entire paradigm and worldview concerning the purpose of mankind in this earth, the role of God's people in this world, the nature and character of God's Kingdom, the purpose and mission of the church, family, societal roles, etc etc etc.

A 'new heavens and a new earth', in a sense.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

Thanks! I clicked on the link and my work PC gave me a "This site is BLOCKED for "Alternative/Sexual" content," in BIG BOLD letters.

What in the world is on that site!?! Maybe I don't want to know!

It's about 'christian domestic discipline', a website devoted to arguing that Christian woman are to submit their husbands, and that the men are to provide discipline, including corporal punishment.

Includes biblical arguments promoting the same.

I didn't find anything graphically offensive, but then I only read one article on 'biblical justification'.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Been there and done that! See... we don't even have that claim to ourselves.

Women have essentially invaded nearly every aspect of manhood. And it's not their fault... it's society. Our society turns the "Boys Club" into the "Boys & Girls Club". "Guss' Gym" has become the "Community Fitness Center". But down the street... we have "Ladies Premier Fitness"... and they've turned my application for membership down six times!!! LOL!

Here's something interesting... listen to the announcement of a women's retreat and the atmosphere gets all flighty and light. Ladies laughing and talking about the fun they are going to have. Mention a men's retreat... there is almost a tangible angst and groaning among the women. A heaviness to the atmosphere. And rest assured... the pastor cleared it with his wife to make sure he wasn't needed during that weekend. lol

Sometimes I think women dread a pastor standing up and truly informing the men as to what it truly means to be heads of their homes. And sadly... the authority only goes as far as... the Mrs. will allow it.

This is true!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's about 'christian domestic discipline', a website devoted to arguing that Christian woman are to submit their husbands, and that the men are to provide discipline, including corporal punishment.

Includes biblical arguments promoting the same.

I didn't find anything graphically offensive, but then I only read one article on 'biblical justification'.

Weird. Then again, filters are a bit touchy and not always correct.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If men are going to a house church so they can 'share their feelings' they are effeminate and so is that house church.

A proper biblical church will have men who go to 'speak in the gates' as it were, and be about the Kingdom's business. This means church discipline, doctrinal teaching and examination, etc, as well as the manifestation of spiritual gifts.

And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. (2 Tim 2:2)

Men are to be learning the teachings of Jesus, and how to transmit that knowledge to others.

Men are to be teachers, leaders, and examples. Some are to become deacons (ministers, servants of the church) and bishops (overseers, elders). Some are 'go forth' spreading the word through whatever gift God has given them.

The church is not supposed to be an 'event' 2 or 3 times a week where people do a sing-a-long, have an emotional catharsis, listen to a 'grand speech', dump money into a plate, and then go home back to their regularly scheduled lives.

Teaching, singing (the purpose of which is to teach and admonish), praying, exhorting one another, ministering to one another, etc should be the regular activity of the church.

Men will learn to be men, fathers, husbands, leaders. Women will learn to be mothers, wives, learning to guide the house. Children will learn to GROW UP into MEN and WOMEN.

No 'program', whether modern church or house church, is going to get it done. It takes a revamping of our entire paradigm and worldview concerning the purpose of mankind in this earth, the role of God's people in this world, the nature and character of God's Kingdom, the purpose and mission of the church, family, societal roles, etc etc etc.

A 'new heavens and a new earth', in a sense.

Excellent post.

Instead of men needing to share their feelings... perhaps we should say that men should be able to speak their minds, be heard, and allowed to rise up and teach more in the body.

[Aquila]

Here's a lite challenge. Ensure that you're duties at home are caught up. Ensure that no events are transpiring over the weekend. Then simply inform your wife that you'll be going fishing all weekend... just you and God.

Watch what happens. If your wife lowers her gaze or looks up at you inspired with encouragement for you going... you have a good woman. And indeed you are head of your home.

However, if you're told that you're not leaving this weekend because of something she's already planned... and had not informed of... there are some headship issues. lol

P.S.

It might be wise for you to come home early at an odd hour of the evening just to ensure that her reasons for encouraging you to leave were pure. lol (jk)

If your woman is encouraging and helpful with your roll as a man... come home early. And bring her something she'll enjoy. She deserves it. However, she might be disappointed that she doesn't have the house to herself all weekend. lol

[RandyWayne]

I often find it hilarious how so many women, when describing the type of man they are looking for, go into some description of an overly sensitive "sissified" type character, yet they ALL seem to know, on a genetic level, what a real man is.

Case in point:

"It's all so boring here, Margot. There's nothing but playboys and tennis pros."

"If only I could find a real man!"





<Sound of parachute on top of the boat as Bond lands on the roof.>

"I need to use your phone. She'll call you back."





"Who are you?"

"Bond. James Bond."

"Exercise control, here. I'll report in an hour."





"Won't you join me?"





"Better make that two."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I often find it hilarious how so many women, when describing the type of man they are looking for, go into some description of an overly sensitive "sissified" type character, yet they ALL seem to know, on a genetic level, what a real man is.

Case in point:

"I need to use your phone. She'll call you back."




"Who are you?"

"Bond. James Bond."





"Won't you join me?"





"Better make that two."

A man who is in charge... and knows what he wants.

[Aquila]

Sadly... many women wouldn't know what to do with such a man if they met one in real life.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Sadly... many women wouldn't know what to do with such a man if they met one in real life.

Your right. For the most part they've been trained by society to NOT want that type of man -yet they nearly all strongly do on some level.