Jail/Homosexuality

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Veiled?!

Okay, you're right. They weren't veiled, they were direct. It's amazing how tough guys like Barney Fife can be until they have to deal with it.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Ferd

OPII, thank you for playing. It is especially nice to hear from you.

Lets be very clear about some things.

I have never once said unkind things about gay people. I have repeatedly stated that there is no constitutional way America can justify the unequal treatment under the law that exists currently (or at least before DOMA was struck down).

I have worked for gay bosses, I have eaten meals with gay people, I actually lived in a house with a couple of gay guys back in my navy days without ever thinking one bad thought about them being gay.

gay people are not in any way an issue. The issue is the MOVEMENT. Go back and re-read my post. I said the gay movement have become bullies. and Bullies cause me to bow up a bit. That is a fact. there are more than a few out there with whom I have had contact. They will tell you that win or lose, I dont generally back down.

I did not avocate beating up gay people. I am at a point of standing up and getting very vocal in opposition to the very real threats being issued by those leading this "movement".

As for me being a coward, lets let the folks here judge between me and thee.... ive been around for a while and this aint my first rodeo.

Seniority means nothing. "Years should have taught you wisdom", Elihu told the four complaining idiots in Job 32.

You hide behind two convenient distractions.....one, "Oh, I didn't actually SAY we should beat them up"; and two, "I have gay friends."

Please.

Threats by the "gay movement"? There are very few gay people who don't live every single day, dealing with issues like fear, anxiety, intimidation, mockery, bigotry, depression, suicidal tendencies, and hate.

The only response society should have to the "gay movement" is to fall on our collective knees and beg forgiveness.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Seniority means nothing. "Years should have taught you wisdom", Elihu told the four complaining idiots in Job 32.

You hide behind two convenient distractions.....one, "Oh, I didn't actually SAY we should beat them up"; and two, "I have gay friends."

Please.

Threats by the "gay movement"? There are very few gay people who don't live every single day, dealing with issues like fear, anxiety, intimidation, mockery, bigotry, depression, suicidal tendencies, and hate.

The only response society should have to the "gay movement" is to fall on our collective knees and beg forgiveness.

Beg forgiveness for standing on Bible admonition or the way the issue has been addressed? Because, those are two issues at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Seniority means nothing. "Years should have taught you wisdom", Elihu told the four complaining idiots in Job 32.

You hide behind two convenient distractions.....one, "Oh, I didn't actually SAY we should beat them up"; and two, "I have gay friends."

Please.

Threats by the "gay movement"? There are very few gay people who don't live every single day, dealing with issues like fear, anxiety, intimidation, mockery, bigotry, depression, suicidal tendencies, and hate.

The only response society should have to the "gay movement" is to fall on our collective knees and beg forgiveness.

"And if NOT, your going to jail!". That is the whole point of this thread.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

"And if NOT, your going to jail!". That is the whole point of this thread.

Exactly. Any word spoken about "gay" at least in Government or in the Media must be accounted for. The one speaking anything that could be anti gay MUST REPENT OPENLY with great feelings of remorse.

Ask Michelle Shocked.

[Praxeas]

Ferd was not talking about violence toward gays but a movement and I took his words metaphorically....as if some can literally punch a movement

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Again do you have scripture for your point?

Review what I've written and tell me what scripture I've violated. I'm just stating common sense facts. Line upon line and precept upon precept. If my puny human mind can comprehend the differences and the seriousness and more vileness of certain actions or addictions. How much more can the creator of the universe know the different levels of depravity.
I can deal with a person who can't seem to quit smoking and is trying. I won't deal well with a pedophile or queer who isn't trying to quit and they are trying to infect and effect others with their unresolved issues.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Review what I've written and tell me what scripture I've violated. I'm just stating common sense facts. Line upon line and precept upon precept. If my puny human mind can comprehend the differences and the seriousness and more vileness of certain actions or addictions. How much more can the creator of the universe know the different levels of depravity.
I can deal with a person who can't seem to quit smoking and is trying. I won't deal well with a pedophile or queer who isn't trying to quit and they are trying to infect and effect others with their unresolved issues.

What scripture have you given me? GOD doesn't view things like you view them.


Again, its what you can tolerate and what you cant. GOD hates all sin. Like I pointed out, if you sow discord, that's an abomination to GOD and he hates it. You are not different to GOD than a homosexual. Stealing is stealing. Murder is murder. All sin will keep you out of heaven and must be repented of.

[Aquila]

Gay soldiers have died for this country. They've given their lives to preserve liberty for all Americans. They've even given their lives to protect "straight buddies".

As far as civil liberties go... as long as they willingly serve our nation... as long as they pay their taxes... they should be given the liberty to live in accordance to their own convictions.

Now... as far as churches go... we need CHURCH counsel and discipline concerning all sin in the congregation.

But I'm neither a liberal or a conservative (each are statists). I'm a proud Libertarian.

[Aquila]

Then there is another issue... what if a church body decides to embrace them and marry them? While we don't agree, and I don't agree on a moral level, the issue of Freedom of Religion comes into play. Should the "almighty state" have the power to tell a religious body that they can't recognize a sacrament?

Maybe we need a revival of the Holy Roman Empire. I think that most people who are bickering right now would become sniveling whiners pleading for modern America when religious law was indeed imposed on them. Why? Because everyone religio-statist I know supports moral religious laws... but only as long as they are enforcing their beliefs on others. They fail to see that the odds are that we'd get a body of law none of us would agree to.

Stand for Liberty and Justice for ALL.