Sanctified Position

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One of the most horrible, most cruel forms of punishment in Paul’s day was a method employed by the Romans to put people to death, was to take a corpse, someone who had already been executed and to strap that corpse onto the body of a live person. One can imagine what it must have been like as that corpse began to rot, what an abhorrent presence that would have been. Paul paints that very picture when he illustrates the ever-present problem that his sinful nature presented to him. Paul could not escape his sinful nature no matter how fervently he tried. We can rejoice and we can give all the glory and the praise to God and to our savior Jesus Christ for the fact that even though that sinful nature is strapped onto our fleshly backs like a rotting corpse, God does not see us in our flesh from his judicial perspective. Our fleshly bodies will never be worthy of heaven in that they will never be able to perform to the measure of the righteousness that is true of God. We are alive because of our position, not at all because of our practice. God no longer views us in our human flesh, he views us in our position in the second Adam (Jesus Christ), he views us in our glorified identity.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by newnature

One of the most horrible, most cruel forms of punishment in Paul’s day was a method employed by the Romans to put people to death, was to take a corpse, someone who had already been executed and to strap that corpse onto the body of a live person. One can imagine what it must have been like as that corpse began to rot, what an abhorrent presence that would have been. Paul paints that very picture when he illustrates the ever-present problem that his sinful nature presented to him. Paul could not escape his sinful nature no matter how fervently he tried. We can rejoice and we can give all the glory and the praise to God and to our savior Jesus Christ for the fact that even though that sinful nature is strapped onto our fleshly backs like a rotting corpse, God does not see us in our flesh from his judicial perspective. Our fleshly bodies will never be worthy of heaven in that they will never be able to perform to the measure of the righteousness that is true of God. We are alive because of our position, not at all because of our practice. God no longer views us in our human flesh, he views us in our position in the second Adam (Jesus Christ), he views us in our glorified identity.

Nonsense. Paul never mentioned 'sinful nature'. That is something you have been told to read into the scripture.

Consider this, from Paul -

I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day; (2 tim 1:3).

Paul claimed to serve God 'with [a] pure conscience'. He did not lie.

Galatians 2:20 Paul says "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

That is not the honest statement of someone who 'cannot escape their sinful nature'.

In 1 Thessalonians 2:10 he plainly asserts his own state of entire sanctification:

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:

The doctrine of the 'sinful nature' has done more to keep people out of God's manifest grace than just about any other false doctrine.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Nonsense. Paul never mentioned 'sinful nature'. That is something you have been told to read into the scripture.

Consider this, from Paul -

I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day; (2 tim 1:3).

Paul claimed to serve God 'with [a] pure conscience'. He did not lie.

Galatians 2:20 Paul says "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

That is not the honest statement of someone who 'cannot escape their sinful nature'.

In 1 Thessalonians 2:10 he plainly asserts his own state of entire sanctification:

Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:

The doctrine of the 'sinful nature' has done more to keep people out of God's manifest grace than just about any other false doctrine.

Wow very good response to a false teaching!

[Luke]

Originally Posted by newnature

One of the most horrible, most cruel forms of punishment in Paul’s day was a method employed by the Romans to put people to death, was to take a corpse, someone who had already been executed and to strap that corpse onto the body of a live person. One can imagine what it must have been like as that corpse began to rot, what an abhorrent presence that would have been. Paul paints that very picture when he illustrates the ever-present problem that his sinful nature presented to him. Paul could not escape his sinful nature no matter how fervently he tried. We can rejoice and we can give all the glory and the praise to God and to our savior Jesus Christ for the fact that even though that sinful nature is strapped onto our fleshly backs like a rotting corpse, God does not see us in our flesh from his judicial perspective. Our fleshly bodies will never be worthy of heaven in that they will never be able to perform to the measure of the righteousness that is true of God. We are alive because of our position, not at all because of our practice. God no longer views us in our human flesh, he views us in our position in the second Adam (Jesus Christ), he views us in our glorified identity.

Oh but we can be set free from our sinful nature read-
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

I agree that there is a sin nature but I disagree that we cannot be free of it in this life!!!