Violent Islam

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Anyone can say anything, including yourself.

Yes, anyone can say anything including the lie that sunni-shia Islamic religious violence isn't common throughout the years. Of course, that being a lie wouldn't stop muslims, such as yourself, from repeating it.

Say what you wish but those who are honest will simply take a map, find the religious violence in the world today...and identify the religion which is the source of that violence. It will almost always be Islam. Over and over and over and over and over.

You cannot hide the truth, you can only fight the truth. The truth is that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. You'll see example after example throughout the year. The dishonest muslim denial of that truth simply exposes the dishonest mindset of the muslim.

Keep posting, keep denying. You're a great example of a typical dishonest muslim.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, anyone can say anything including the lie that sunni-shia Islamic religious violence isn't common throughout the years. Of course, that being a lie wouldn't stop muslims, such as yourself, from repeating it.

Say what you wish but those who are honest will simply take a map, find the religious violence in the world today...and identify the religion which is the source of that violence. It will almost always be Islam. Over and over and over and over and over.

You cannot hide the truth, you can only fight the truth. The truth is that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. You'll see example after example throughout the year. The dishonest muslim denial of that truth simply exposes the dishonest mindset of the muslim.

Keep posting, keep denying. You're a great example of a typical dishonest muslim.

You are a great example of a typical, helpless, neutered, powerless christian. You have no message of value, nobody wants your message, those you try to force it on drive you out, so you must rant helplessly at those who do have a message of value and are chosen over you.

It is pathetic to see really. What I do see on the map is no christian nations anywhere at all even where there used to be replaced only helpless pathetic christians who hide behind "secular" governments while they exploit others around the world.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are a great example of a typical, helpless, neutered, powerless christian. You have no message of value, nobody wants your message, those you try to force it on drive you out, so you must rant helplessly at those who do have a message of value and are chosen over you.

It is pathetic to see really. What I do see on the map is no christian nations anywhere at all even where there used to be replaced only helpless pathetic christians who hide behind "secular" governments while they exploit others around the world.

Won't be but just a few days I'm sure until the violent religion of Islam rears it's ugly head with yet more killing and oppression so common within the sects within Islam and I'll be sure to post the story so that you can once again, as you've done over and over and over and over, show the dishonesty, denial and desperation of the muslim mind. If anyone had a question about muslim honesty, you've been a great example of answering that question.

In the meantime, here's a bit about the sunni-shia Islamic religious violence, common within Islamic sects,which you, as a typical dishonest muslim, says isn't happening.....



"Tension between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq is escalating, and threatening to erupt into a civil war. Bombs were detonated outside a Sunni mosque as mourners were leaving a funeral on Friday.

CNN is reported that at least 76 people were killed, and more than 46 were injured by the explosions. The attack is believed to be in retaliation for Thursday’s strike, when a suicide bomber killed 12 people at the entrance of Al-Zahraa Husseiniyah, a Shia place of worship in the city of Kirkuk

In addition, car bombs were exploded in the predominately Shiite areas, killing 10. At least 21 died in the same fashion on Wednesday."

http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/iraq-b...d-at-least-76/

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Their religion or the Quran? The part in bold I agree.

The last statement? Islam was born in violence and aggressions vs Jews and infidels

http://www.krim.org/links/A_Critique...amic_Jihad.htm

First part about the Jews. False.

http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/muh...innocent-jews/

Second part about killing infidels to spread Islam. In the conquering of Mecca, Muhammad killed the pagans that were in Mecca. Sounds a lot like the Israelites taking of the promised land. Actually if you look at both of them side by side, the Israelite taking of the promised land was straight genocide and worse than Muhammad taking of Mecca. All through out his life and all through the Quran. freedom of religion was his message. But lets not let facts get in the way of your views.

[odooley6985]

I just find it very laughable that if a christian were to commits acts of violence in the name of jesus he is not a real question. Yet if a muslim does it thats how islam is. Despite quranic evidence to the contrary. I think a lot of people have Islamaphobia. Like I said, 1-2 billion muslims in the world and only a minority of those are violent. The leaders in the middle east use religion to control their countries. Why cant people see that?

[odooley6985]

islam is a religion of whatever the believer makes it, just as christianity has been throughout history, and continues to be.

the peaceful muslims dont make the news very often. theyre boring and terrible for ratings.

these ancient books like the quran and the bible, can be interpreted a variety of different ways, unfortunately. only sheltered goons try to stereotype either religion.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Won't be but just a few days I'm sure until the violent religion of Islam rears it's ugly head with yet more killing and oppression so common within the sects within Islam and I'll be sure to post the story so that you can once again, as you've done over and over and over and over, show the dishonesty, denial and desperation of the muslim mind. If anyone had a question about muslim honesty, you've been a great example of answering that question.

In the meantime, here's a bit about the sunni-shia Islamic religious violence, common within Islamic sects,which you, as a typical dishonest muslim, says isn't happening.....



"Tension between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq is escalating, and threatening to erupt into a civil war. Bombs were detonated outside a Sunni mosque as mourners were leaving a funeral on Friday.

CNN is reported that at least 76 people were killed, and more than 46 were injured by the explosions. The attack is believed to be in retaliation for Thursday’s strike, when a suicide bomber killed 12 people at the entrance of Al-Zahraa Husseiniyah, a Shia place of worship in the city of Kirkuk

In addition, car bombs were exploded in the predominately Shiite areas, killing 10. At least 21 died in the same fashion on Wednesday."

http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/iraq-b...d-at-least-76/

Religious violence? You can understand facts right?

http://acmcu.georgetown.edu/135390.html

A nice secular and objective take on what you howl is "religious" violence. Again these are not my words but this summarizes nicely what I have been saying.

The intensification of sectarian warfare in Iraq during the last year has generated a flow of commentary in the Western press, claiming that this conflict is the consequence of age-old animosities between the Shias and the Sunnis because of deep religious differences. In other words, most of these commentaries convey a sense of inevitability and permanency about Sunni-Shia conflict, not only in Iraq but also elsewhere in the Muslim world where there are substantial Shia minorities.

Clearly, differences between the Sunnis and Shias, which began immediately following the Prophet Muhammad’s death, concerning his legitimate successor, are real and cannot be denied. However, historically, ordinary Sunnis and Shias have lived peacefully, even if not closely, together. This has been partly due to the fact that the Shias lost early in the competition both for political power and for the allegiance of the majority of Muslims; the Shias retreated essentially to a politically quietist position, as advised by the sixth Shia Imam, Ja’afar Sadegh.

Therefore, in the history of Sunni-Shia relations, there are no parallels to the Thirty Years War between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. The only events that come somewhat close were the Ottoman–Saffavid wars. However, those wars were more about competition between an established empire, that of the Ottomans, and a newly formed empire, that of the Saffavids, and not about religion, as such, even though the Saffavids were Shia. By the end of the 17th century, Ottoman –Saffavids rivalry had subsided and, since the early 18th century, with a few brief periods when internal turmoil in Iran invited Ottoman intervention, relations between the two empires and, later, between the Republic of Turkey and Iran have been peaceful and even friendly.

In South Asia, where there are also substantial Shia minorities, until the last decade or so there was no history of any large-scale Sunni-Shia conflict. Furthermore, in the last forty years, there have been efforts on the part of Sunni and Shia Ulema at reconciliation between the two groups. Good examples of this were the contacts during the 1960s between Ayatullah Ghomi in Iran and Sheikh Shaltut of Al Azhar, which had positive results. Following these efforts, Ja’afari was recognized as another school of Fiqh in Islam

The gradual rise in sectarian tensions, which had began in early 1970s (NOTE: Since it took almost 1400 years to get started I guess it's Mohammad and the Quran and not the Iranian revolution and Iran/Iraq war that kicked off after we armed the Shah to the teeth and he decided he didn't have to honor his shipping lane treaties after all) and escalated following the Iranian Revolution and the Afghan War, had to do with politics and competition for influence and power, notably between Iran and the Arab countries, especially Iraq and Saudi Arabia. This competition contributed to a sharp rise in sectarian tensions, especially in Pakistan and Afghanistan, as both sides tried to use religion as an instrument of policy. Iraq’s invasion of Iran and the ensuing war also played a role in this respect.

In addition to inter-state rivalry, the socially and economically disadvantaged position of the Shias in Sunni majority countries, or countries where Shias are a majority but the rulers are Sunni --as was the case in Iraq and now is in Bahrain -- has in recent decades contributed to the Shias’ sense of alienation and their quest for emancipation and legitimacy. The Shia revival movement in Lebanon, which began in the 1960s, under the leadership of Ayatullah Musa Sadr, is the best example of this Shia quest for equality and recognition.

If the Shia movement became radicalized, this was to no small part due to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon 1982 and the ensuing Lebanese civil war.

In post-war Iraq, too, sectarian conflict is the result of two interrelated factors: years of discrimination against the Shias by repressive Iraqis governments and the failure to develop a sense of national identity transcending tribal and sectarian affiliations; and fears generated among the Sunnis about their future economic and political position under a Shia-dominated government.

On a broader scale, the latest intensification of sectarian tension throughout the Muslim world reflects the Western strategy of instrumentalizing sectarian differences to forge a regional alliance against Iran.

What the foregoing amounts to is that there is nothing inevitable or fated about Sunni-Shia conflict. Their differences are not any worse than those that had existed within the Christian family and which now have all but disappeared as a result of overall prosperity, democracy, and sustained efforts at interfaith dialogue and reconciliation.

Now go howl all you want as this article nicels summarizes all of the information that I have already shared with you. It contains facts which you may call "excuses" or not.

http://www.georgetown.edu/ would be the site where you can get the phone number to howl your feedback.

SUMMARY: Sunni-Shia conflict has nothing to do with the religion of ISLAM and everything to do with political power in the middle east

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

islam is a religion of whatever the believer makes it, just as christianity has been throughout history, and continues to be.

the peaceful muslims dont make the news very often. theyre boring and terrible for ratings.

these ancient books like the quran and the bible, can be interpreted a variety of different ways, unfortunately. only sheltered goons try to stereotype either religion.

theyre boring and terrible for ratings.

(laughing) - this is a true statement

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Won't be but just a few days I'm sure until the violent religion of Islam rears it's ugly head with yet more killing and oppression so common within the sects within Islam and I'll be sure to post the story so that you can once again, as you've done over and over and over and over, show the dishonesty, denial and desperation of the muslim mind. If anyone had a question about muslim honesty, you've been a great example of answering that question.

In the meantime, here's a bit about the sunni-shia Islamic religious violence, common within Islamic sects,which you, as a typical dishonest muslim, says isn't happening.....



"Tension between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq is escalating, and threatening to erupt into a civil war. Bombs were detonated outside a Sunni mosque as mourners were leaving a funeral on Friday.

CNN is reported that at least 76 people were killed, and more than 46 were injured by the explosions. The attack is believed to be in retaliation for Thursday’s strike, when a suicide bomber killed 12 people at the entrance of Al-Zahraa Husseiniyah, a Shia place of worship in the city of Kirkuk

In addition, car bombs were exploded in the predominately Shiite areas, killing 10. At least 21 died in the same fashion on Wednesday."

http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/iraq-b...d-at-least-76/

Just another day in church!

Several leading evangelical pastors and authors have come to the defense of a pastor accused in a lawsuit for covering up sexual abuse of children.

C.J. Mahaney was named as a defendant in a lawsuit, which charged that he and other leaders of Sovereign Grace Ministries permitted the abuse of children to occur in churches that formed part of the group. Sovereign Grace, an association of 80 Reformed evangelical churches, is based in Louisville, Ky.

Maryland Judge Sharon V. Burrell dismissed the lawsuit ruling that nine of 11 plaintiffs waited too long to sue under the statute of limitations. Their attorney plans to appeal the judge’s decision.

After the dismissal, leading evangelicals are stepping up to defend Mahaney.

“We have stood beside our friend, C.J. Mahaney, and we can speak to his personal integrity,” wrote Al Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; Ligon Duncan, pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Jackson, Miss.; and Mark Dever, pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, D.C.

But not everyone is rushing to Mahaney’s defense. Boz Tchividjian, a law professor and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations, found omissions in the pastors’ statement.

“Why no mention that C.J. Mahaney was actually the Senior Pastor at one of these churches where all of this horrific abuse allegedly occurred AND that [he] discouraged these families from bringing this matter to the God ordained civil authorities?”

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

theyre boring and terrible for ratings.

(laughing) - this is a true statement

Like I always say, there are 1-2 billion muslims in the world. Only a minority are radical.