Violent Islam

[Pliny]

What does the Religion of Peace Teach About...

Rape

Question:
Why are rape victims often punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Summary Answer:
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..." Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad's favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses, coincidentally enough) however it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule.

Qur'an (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.


From the Hadith:
Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad apparently did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.


Additional Notes:
Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not, if they are 'captured in battle' or bought as slaves. Even the rape of a Muslim woman is almost impossible to prove under strict Islamic law (Sharia). If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

A recent fatwa from a mainstream Islamic site echoes this rule and even chides a victim of incest for complaining when she has no "evidence":
However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true, she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. (IslamWeb.net, Image)

Since it is incredibly unlikely that a child molester will violate his victim in front of "four trustworthy men", Islamic law amounts to a free pass for sexual predators.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...e_adultery.htm




It's easy to "denounce rape" when Islam - Sharia - makes it virtually impossible to prove.
DNA evidence does not matter.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Pliny

What happens within an Islamic Republic

http://savesaeed.org/


Please consider signing the petition to free this man.
http://aclj.org/iran/save-american-p...rison-sentence

Christian pastor Saeed Abedini, an American imprisoned in Iran on charges of evangelizing, was sentenced this morning to eight years in prison.
According to the American Center for Law and Justice, Abedini was verbally sentenced in Tehran by Judge Pir-Abassi, known as the “hanging judge,” to eight years in prison for threatening the national security of Iran through his leadership in Christian house churches. He will serve the time in Iran’s notorious Evin Prison, known as one of the most brutal.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01...#ixzz2X61uXG00


Don't you just love the tolerance of Islam???

Please consider signing the petition to free this Religious prisoner. One thing that you can count on is the fact that Muslims will not. They will simply prowl around and justify the evil.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

There is nothing in the Quran about oil and rights to waterways so I am wondering why wars over these things constitute "religious violence"

You're such a dishonest person, typical for muslims facing the religious violence common with Islam though. The reality of the Islamic sunni religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic shia religious sect and the Islamic shia religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic sunni religious sect many times a year isn't going to go away.

Here's more.....

"BAGHDAD — Suicide bombers killed 37 people at a Shiite mosque in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday, in the third consecutive day of sectarian attacks this week.

At afternoon prayer time, the two attackers gunned down three guards at the mosque, in the Qahira neighborhood in northern Baghdad, and then blew themselves up, killing 34 worshipers and wounding at least 57 more, the police said. The mosque is a popular place of worship for students from a nearby Shiite Islamic university."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/wo...hdad-iraq.html

Now you have yet another opportunity to show just how dishonest and evasive muslims are concerning the fact that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You're such a dishonest person, typical for muslims facing the religious violence common with Islam though. The reality of the Islamic sunni religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic shia religious sect and the Islamic shia religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic sunni religious sect many times a year isn't going to go away.

Here's more.....

"BAGHDAD — Suicide bombers killed 37 people at a Shiite mosque in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday, in the third consecutive day of sectarian attacks this week.

At afternoon prayer time, the two attackers gunned down three guards at the mosque, in the Qahira neighborhood in northern Baghdad, and then blew themselves up, killing 34 worshipers and wounding at least 57 more, the police said. The mosque is a popular place of worship for students from a nearby Shiite Islamic university."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/wo...hdad-iraq.html

Now you have yet another opportunity to show just how dishonest and evasive muslims are concerning the fact that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today.

This is akin to Baptists killing Lutherans. This makes me sick!

The main issues is this, are these muslims aligning with what their religion teaches, or are they misguided radicals? It seems like a lot of leaders in the region use Islam as a way to control the masses for their political gains. I just think Islam in its true form does not advocate this.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

This is akin to Baptists killing Lutherans. This makes me sick!

The main issues is this, are these muslims aligning with what their religion teaches, or are they misguided radicals? It seems like a lot of leaders in the region use Islam as a way to control the masses for their political gains. I just think Islam in its true form does not advocate this.

The fact is that when you find religious violence today, it's almost always Islam at it's core. What Islam allegedly teaches isn't really the issue, what Islam does is the issue. In today's world, Islam is the most violent and oppressive religion on the face of the earth as we see quite frequently. Anyone can say anything, it's the behavior which counts.

"Islam is a religion of peace" doesn't quite fit the religious violence which is quite common in Islam.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You're such a dishonest person, typical for muslims facing the religious violence common with Islam though. The reality of the Islamic sunni religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic shia religious sect and the Islamic shia religious sect killing and maiming the Islamic sunni religious sect many times a year isn't going to go away.

Here's more.....

"BAGHDAD — Suicide bombers killed 37 people at a Shiite mosque in the Iraqi capital on Tuesday, in the third consecutive day of sectarian attacks this week.

At afternoon prayer time, the two attackers gunned down three guards at the mosque, in the Qahira neighborhood in northern Baghdad, and then blew themselves up, killing 34 worshipers and wounding at least 57 more, the police said. The mosque is a popular place of worship for students from a nearby Shiite Islamic university."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/wo...hdad-iraq.html

Now you have yet another opportunity to show just how dishonest and evasive muslims are concerning the fact that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today.

What you are calling dishonest is simple history and it is not written in my words. Is the history leading up to the Iran/Iraq violence (which you are referring as Sunni/Shia violence) true or not?

(I) neither wrote it nor added to it, I simply copied and pasted. If you call this dishonest I will tell you that this is not the first time nor the last time a a 'christian' will have re-written history to favor their views.

The christian religion has been so terrible and so evil over the centuries that every single nation on the planet, including our own, specifically prohibits christian rule. Muslims in Islamic nations are no different from our own founding fathers in their desire to limit christian power and christian rule and it is because of real, measurable christian history written in the blood of christian victims on every continent on earth. YOU may try to rewrite history it if you wish but our constitutional ammendment was not targeted at Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs - it was targeted specifically at and written specifically for the purpose of LIMITING CHRISTIAN GOVERNMENT. It was asked in an earlier post why so many come here and my answer is this: This limit is what has made America great and what has made America prosper and this is why America calls to so many people around the world.

It is this and only this that limits you to uncontrolled, angry ranting and raving. You are otherwise you are not different from the worst of the worst in Islam.

For this limit - God Bless America! (and Texas)

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The fact is that when you find religious violence today, it's almost always Islam at it's core. What Islam allegedly teaches isn't really the issue, what Islam does is the issue. In today's world, Islam is the most violent and oppressive religion on the face of the earth as we see quite frequently. Anyone can say anything, it's the behavior which counts.

"Islam is a religion of peace" doesn't quite fit the religious violence which is quite common in Islam.

You should move to Nigeria and really show the Muslims who is better. I will expect soon that Nigeria will soon be just one more country where christians won't be welcome.

JOS, Nigeria (AP) — Religious rioting in the troubled central Nigeria city of Jos has killed at least 21 people in recent days, as authorities seem to be unable to curb the rising violence.

An Associated Press journalist counted 21 bodies awaiting burial at the city's central mosque Friday. At the Jos University Teaching Hospital, doctors collected at least 12 bodies bearing gunshot and machete wounds, while another 82 were wounded in fighting in the city, said Dr. Stephen Yohanna, the hospital's chief medical director.

Families had begun collecting the dead Friday, so it was unclear if the 12 dead at the hospital were included among the dead collected at the city's central mosque. The Stefanos Foundation, a local Christian group which tallies the dead and wounded in conflicts in Jos, had yet to finish a count of the community's dead Friday, said foundation coordinator Mark Lipdo.

The violence began Monday in Jos, a city on the volatile dividing line between Nigeria's largely Christian south and Muslim north. A group of rioters on Monday attacked Muslims praying over the end of Ramadan in a primarily Christian neighborhood, using knives, machetes and bows and arrows, Nigeria's National Emergency Management Agency said. At least four people died Monday, as witnesses said more than 50 vehicles and 100 motorcycles were set ablaze during the fighting.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

What you are calling dishonest is simple history and it is not written in my words. Is the history leading up to the Iran/Iraq violence (which you are referring as Sunni/Shia violence) true or not?

Of course I'm referring to the religious sunni-shia violence, that's exactly what's going on, week after week, year after year. While the most common of Islamic violence is the sunni-shia violence, occasionally there's other inter-Islamic sectarian violence with the various sects within Islam as well as religious Islamic violence against non-muslims.

Your refusal to face the truth of the religious violence within Islam simply further establishes your dishonesty. The fact is, everyone sees the religious violence of Islam many many times a year and your dishonesty simply reinforces the correct view that not only is Islam the most violent religion on the face of the earth today, muslims, such as yourself, are not to be trusted for truth.

While the sunni-shia Islamic religious violence is the most common, there's always religious violence among the other sects of Islam also....

"An angry mob led by Salafist sheikhs torched and attacked houses of
Shias in the small village of Zawyat Abu Muslam in Giza governorate
Sunday afternoon, killing four citizens including a prominent shia
figure. Not less than 3000 angry locals attacked houses of Shias in the village
Sunday afternoon after weeks of incitement by Salafist preachers,
according to eyewitnesses. Five houses were set on fire during the attack. Police are evacuating the rest of Shiite homes in the village. For three weeks the Salafist sheikhs in the village have been attacking the Shias and accusing them of being infidels and spreading debauchery," said Hazem Barakat, an eyewitness and photojournalist."

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e76_1...qSGIGT15HSg.99

Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. Simply take a map and find religious violence and you'll usually find Islam.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

This is akin to Baptists killing Lutherans. This makes me sick!

The main issues is this, are these muslims aligning with what their religion teaches, or are they misguided radicals? It seems like a lot of leaders in the region use Islam as a way to control the masses for their political gains. I just think Islam in its true form does not advocate this.

Their religion or the Quran? The part in bold I agree.

The last statement? Islam was born in violence and aggressions vs Jews and infidels

http://www.krim.org/links/A_Critique...amic_Jihad.htm

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The fact is that when you find religious violence today, it's almost always Islam at it's core. What Islam allegedly teaches isn't really the issue, what Islam does is the issue. In today's world, Islam is the most violent and oppressive religion on the face of the earth as we see quite frequently. Anyone can say anything, it's the behavior which counts.

"Islam is a religion of peace" doesn't quite fit the religious violence which is quite common in Islam.

Anyone can say anything, including yourself. Thankfully due to the world having had enough oppression, murder, and cruelty in the name of the church christianity has been fenced in and checkmated around the globe including in but certainly not limited to the good old US of A.

SO: You are left to rant about your superiority from a position of weakness and you exclude comments on the above for the simple reason that they ring a truth with you that you cannot bury or hide. While it is true that Islamic countries have thugs and terrible leaders have risen in Islamic countries over the centuries Islam and Islamic law, in its purest form, is chosen as a way of life by individuals and it is by their own choice that they reject the message of of christian "values" and christian exploitation on every single continent. Why is this?

If so oppressive, why do the people willingly choose it? Why do they NEVER choose your way? In all of your rants and chest-beating you have not been able to determine the answer to this - you go on and on and on and on over how terrible and unjust Islam is yet the values you hold dear are rejected in favor is Islam by average people in how many countries? Your values are selected by NOBODY but laws are specifically written, even here in the US, to prevent them from spreading. How can this be? You know the truth and you also know you cannot answer this.