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Old 12-09-2012, 01:08 PM
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To Bear The Cross--What's THAT Mean?

We are all sons and daughters of God. He put forth of His spirit and became in the flesh(son) how He is and taught how we should be(in truth, wisdom and love). He took upon Himself the guilt for our immaturiy(sins). Every man is responsible for His own sins unil He sees that our Creator is willing to accept the blame(all power and responsibility IS His). No MAN can die for nor carry another man's sins--Jesus is God. With Love and respect we are willing to become obedient to His will and accept the burden of His cross----He has the love for us of MATERNAL INSTINCT. If you have become like minded with Him, you will carry this burden of the cross and love mankind with maternal instinct. All will be forgiven all sins except balspheming this love. God IS all forgiving for immaturity but remember--He not only gives what is needed but will place you in heaven according to your obedience to Him. We have to grow up and not repeat our sins. There is rank in heaven--seek last place while alive and bring forth heaven(in THIS is wisdom) The head if God is LOVE--The love of maternal insinct---Jesus Christ is the head of God--not the flesh of a man that walked among us but as the God that He is. The name Jesus means savior--We are all sons and daughters and can become as He is--saviors of love. Be a head and not a tail--God is in all of us and always with us--He wants to be known as Jesus Christ--savior of Love and mankind. Don't see just a man who was--see the face of the Father in every pair of eyes you look into. He is real and He is there waiting and watching and listening--knock(pray)
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:23 AM
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Re: To Bear The Cross--What's THAT Mean?

Take up your cross

Mat 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

The phrase “take up his cross” is often interpreted as “take or bring your burdens and cares to the Lord”. While this is good advice, this isn’t what Jesus is referring to in this passage. One need only look at the other verses to see what Jesus really meant.

Jesus had just told His disciples “…that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. (verse 21). Peter began to “rebuke” Jesus for what He had said (Can you imagine having the audacity to rebuke the Lord?). What Peter did not know was that the death of Christ was God’s plan. Then Jesus made it clear that, not only was God’s Plan that the Savior be killed, we, too, who follow the Lord, would have to be willing to lay down our lives for the Lord.

The Jews knew full well what Jesus meant when He said “…take up His cross….” Israel, at that time, had been under Roman rule for a long time. The Romans had a particularly cruel way of dealing with law-breakers. They were executed by crucifixion. The condemned was sentenced to death and were compelled to drag the crosses they would die on through the city streets. When the people saw a man dragging his cross down the street, they knew that person was about to die. This visual illustration Jesus gave here meant 2 things:

1. It meant that we must be willing to die for our faith. Jesus said in verse 25 “….whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” To follow the Lord, we must be willing to lay down our life for the Master. Actually, Jesus was speaking prophetically that, in fact, many would be killed for the faith. Peter, and all of the disciples except for John, eventually gave their lives for the faith.

2. It also means that we must die out to the flesh. When we, as Paul said, “die daily” 1Cr 15:31, we die to the things of this world. Paul also wrote, in Gal 2:20- “ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me“ When we follow Christ, we “take up our cross, by dying out to self, to sin, and to the world.. Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. By coming to Jesus, we are new creatures in Him. 2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Our old sinful life died the moment we made the decision to follow Christ. And, as we follow Him, the Holy Spirit teaches us a new way of living.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:08 AM
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Sounds hard. And painful.
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Re: To Bear The Cross--What's THAT Mean?

His will... not our will....

simple in words

difficult in application

yet, there really is no other way to God, except through Christ, and the cross...
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