Even Jesus couldn't heal everyone

[Lafon]

[QUOTE=Dr. Vaughn;475052]
But Mk 6:5 says that in Nazereth, "he could there do no mighty work, save that He laid His hands upon a few sick folk and healed them". Even Jesus COULD NOT over ride someone's unbelief

In a broad general manner of speaking, I would tend to concur with this statement, for it is true that God would NEVER violate a person's intrinsic and inherent "right" (or, free will), by doing something involving an individual which conflicts or contradicts their beliefs.

Therefore, having said this, I believe the broader question here is determining WHY Jesus did not ALWAYS heal others, and the words of Mark 6:6 makes it indisputably clear - "...because of their unbelief." With this understanding, then one can easily see that Dr. Vaughn answers his own question, yet because of his UNBELIEF is rendered incapable of recognizing or acknowledging it. Absolutely amazing!!

So we should understand that it was NOT that Even Jesus COULD NOT over ride someone's unbelief, rather it was that had He chosen to do so then He would NOT have been "obedient" to God's will (although I don't expect that any adherent of Branham would readily agree)!

Regards,
Lafon

[Petrus50]

Jesus healed everyone He laid hands upon.

Mark 6:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

Problem is: those that refused to go to Jesus didn't heal.That simple. Anyone stating that Jesus never healed everyone where He laid His hands on is taking of the Word of God.

Very , very dangerous stuff.

[samuelofisrael]

Originally Posted by Petrus50

Jesus healed everyone He laid hands upon.

Mark 6:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

Problem is: those that refused to go to Jesus didn't heal.That simple. Anyone stating that Jesus never healed everyone where He laid His hands on is taking of the Word of God.

Very , very dangerous stuff.

It is indeed dangerous. Such error limits the Power and the Sovereignty of God.

The "free will" issue falls at the feet of the Apostle Paul in his former "unbelief" and alleged "free will" when he was struck down, blinded for a season and then, gloriously converted to Yeshua Messiah.

There is no "could not" [in context] with the Healing Power of Yeshua else there is a corner of humanity God cannot see nor invade. Men imagine this scenario but Scripture does not concur.

If God waited for man to "decide" and "accept" Him [Yeshua] we all would still be in unbelief/sin and death. Had it not been for the names placed in the Lamb's Book of Life ere the world began, we should have no present hope.

No doubt William Branham had a modicum of sincereity but his exegetical abilities were serverly challenged as the years progressed. He clearly was not a Bible Teacher and if a "prophet," what do we say concerning at least three, "thus saith the Lord" utterances that never came to pass?

The best I personally see in terms of manifested ministry was: an evangelist who arose in the Post WW2 era wherein a host of others also arose and ministered. William Branham was noted primarily for what they called "discernment" but in fact may have been the manifestation of the "word of knowledge." And even here it proved out as defective in more than one case.

So what is all the excitement about?

People who have been duped into a cult. Believing all claims without careful study of the isssues and the many statements in which only he was present.

"angelic visitations?"

Possibly so but that is not unique with William Branham. What teaching follows the claims?

God alone is the Judge at the Last Day but we are to be discerning concerning the teaching of Scripture. And here is where the Great Divide occurs.

Shalom.

[Petrus50]

Lately I stumbled upon some more info about WMB and the link with mormonism. There are striking similarities with LDS and some prophecies about him brought to him from members of LDS.

[samuelofisrael]

Originally Posted by Petrus50

Lately I stumbled upon some more info about WMB and the link with mormonism. There are striking similarities with LDS and some prophecies about him brought to him from members of LDS.

There are a number of parallels with LDS and WMB.

1. Angelic visitation.
2. Corrupt systems.
3. Restorationism
4. Prediction of the end.
5. Prophet promised.

There was a William Branham in one of the LDS splinter groups sending "that" WB to ministry. However, it wasn't Willaim Marrion Branham. And even here it is said he changed his name from "branan" to "branHAM" so that it would have seven letters. It is also said he change the middle name to show 7 letters. His "numerology" scheme wasn't the Biblical numerology but a mere version tweaked into his own system.

Here again, one must simply take his word for it.

Shalom.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by samuelofisrael

...There is no "could not" [in context] with the Healing Power of Yeshua else there is a corner of humanity God cannot see nor invade. Men imagine this scenario but Scripture does not concur.

If God waited for man to "decide" and "accept" Him [Yeshua] we all would still be in unbelief/sin and death. Had it not been for the names placed in the Lamb's Book of Life ere the world began, we should have no yadayada...

Um, "I never knew you"? I have plenty more, after that one. Your free will is sacred to God, and He will not override it; people are not angels. Maybe I'm reading this out of context, or something, but if you do not believe that Christ can heal you, then He cannot, as weird as that seems at first read. Can not. Is physically and spiritually unable to, using the full might of God. All the predestination stuff just clouds the issue, imo.

[Petrus50]

Originally Posted by samuelofisrael

There are a number of parallels with LDS and WMB.

1. Angelic visitation.
2. Corrupt systems.
3. Restorationism
4. Prediction of the end.
5. Prophet promised.

There was a William Branham in one of the LDS splinter groups sending "that" WB to ministry. However, it wasn't Willaim Marrion Branham. And even here it is said he changed his name from "branan" to "branHAM" so that it would have seven letters. It is also said he change the middle name to show 7 letters. His "numerology" scheme wasn't the Biblical numerology but a mere version tweaked into his own system.

Here again, one must simply take his word for it.

Shalom.

Only difference is in LDS there was no healing of the sick.

In BELIEVE YE THAT I CAN DO THIS? LOS ANGELES , Californië May 9, 1951:

In this document these mormons brought to him a book ,he clearly took this prophecy for him, first he talked about the prophecy about himself from evangelists belonging to Assemblies of God and than
he said:
"And then one night , ...and there was a man standing there. And he had a book under his arm. He kept telling me ' Brother Branham you're in the wrong church'. It was called the mormon word of God. It's one of their prophets of the LDS. ...I have the book in my library. ...It prophecied , the prophet , and said, , that ' in the last days that Germany would have a ism called nazi's'
And it went ahead and said ,'In that day , let W-i double l-i-a-m Branham be called and set aside in humility for the service that I have called him to'.
That's right. Wrote years...

[samuelofisrael]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Um, "I never knew you"? I have plenty more, after that one. Your free will is sacred to God, and He will not override it; people are not angels. Maybe I'm reading this out of context, or something, but if you do not believe that Christ can heal you, then He cannot, as weird as that seems at first read. Can not. Is physically and spiritually unable to, using the full might of God. All the predestination stuff just clouds the issue, imo.

Muslim think differently and unfortunately, erroneously.

THE Word of God:

Eph 1:3-9

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

[samuelofisrael]

Originally Posted by Petrus50

Only difference is in LDS there was no healing of the sick.

In BELIEVE YE THAT I CAN DO THIS? LOS ANGELES , Californië May 9, 1951:

In this document these mormons brought to him a book ,he clearly took this prophecy for him, first he talked about the prophecy about himself from evangelists belonging to Assemblies of God and than
he said:
"And then one night , ...and there was a man standing there. And he had a book under his arm. He kept telling me ' Brother Branham you're in the wrong church'. It was called the mormon word of God. It's one of their prophets of the LDS. ...I have the book in my library. ...It prophecied , the prophet , and said, , that ' in the last days that Germany would have a ism called nazi's'
And it went ahead and said ,'In that day , let W-i double l-i-a-m Branham be called and set aside in humility for the service that I have called him to'.
That's right. Wrote years...

That William was not Billy Branham of Jeffersonville but another some years prior to WMB.

MORMON HEALING

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfa...hurch.html.csp

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by samuelofisrael

Muslim think differently and unfortunately, erroneously.

THE Word of God:

Eph 1:3-9

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Ah; talk about confusing the issue...anyway, I don't disagree with any of that, SOI, but I am curious how that refutes "I never knew you," (from God, who made {you}).