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Old 06-25-2012, 03:18 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism

And ps, what you read as some
self-aggrandizement or whatever,
I read as just telling it like it is.
She didn't call him, but sis. Is there
like a nicer way to say that or something?
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:19 PM
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You do? Are you his mom?
I know her like a book.
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I know her like a book.
Which book? Hardback or paperback edition?
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Moms get out of line, too, and God does not need TV to bless her.
A harsh truth is that we get what we deserve. She's an adult, she could have called him
instead of sis--you know why she didn't? I know why she didn't.
Really? You don't believe in grace then? Jesus didn't tell us to respond to people in the way that they deserve. He told us to follow HIS example. I see where He is/was long-suffering, patient, ever extending His arm of mercy and grace even if we don't choose to receive it. Our responsibility doesn't lie in their response. Our responsibility lies in OUR actions and reactions.

I am not saying that TV's mom is right. Not in any way, shape or form. Believe me, I've dealt with people who've judged me harshly simply based on the fact that I am not UC. But for me to write them off in their time when they need me would be equally as wrong as their decision to judge me was in the first place. He doesn't have to pray for her by laying hands on her right there in that hospital bed. He can pray just as effectively for his mother by walking out in the hallway and praying, or sitting in the chair across from her and praying quietly or even walking down the chapel and praying for her. Actually, she wouldn't even have to know that he had prayed. But he HAS to continue to love her and respect her because she IS his mother.

You want to talk about what Jesus did for His mother? On the cross, when He was in agony - when most of us couldn't have thought of anything else except the extreme pain we were in ourselves - He made arrangements for His mother to be taken care of after He left.
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He didn't say that he distanced himself because of legalism.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:23 PM
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I have to say that I probably don't want anyone/everyone to pray for me, in a physical sort of way, either. Feel free to pray for me from afar but you better not come up and slap your hand on my shoulder or especially my head and start yodeling in tongues over me lest I use my newly acquired CCW on you. OK, I jest. I wouldn't use my conceal carry weapon, but I MAY use my pepper spray, which would not be a good thing for any others nearby.
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Really? You don't believe in grace then? Jesus didn't tell us to respond to people in the way that they deserve. He told us to follow HIS example. I see where He is/was long-suffering, patient, ever extending His arm of mercy and grace even if we don't choose to receive it. Our responsibility doesn't lie in their response. Our responsibility lies in OUR actions and reactions.

I am not saying that TV's mom is right. Not in any way, shape or form. Believe me, I've dealt with people who've judged me harshly simply based on the fact that I am not UC. But for me to write them off in their time when they need me would be equally as wrong as their decision to judge me was in the first place. He doesn't have to pray for her by laying hands on her right there in that hospital bed. He can pray just as effectively for his mother by walking out in the hallway and praying, or sitting in the chair across from her and praying quietly or even walking down the chapel and praying for her. Actually, she wouldn't even have to know that he had prayed. But he HAS to continue to love her and respect her because she IS his mother.

You want to talk about what Jesus did for His mother? On the cross, when He was in agony - when most of us couldn't have thought of anything else except the extreme pain we were in ourselves - He made arrangements for His mother to be taken care of after He left.
Hey, i completely agree; "when they are in need" or iow, "when they aren't rejecting you as plainly as possible." I disagree at "praying for her," as I don't believe he should be praying for her, and I'm pretty sure Scripture will back me up.

There are 2 sides to every story, in this life anyway, and I suggest that if this side was related at all accurately, the Methodist lady in the next bed should be left alone to do God's work. What must she be thinking about now?

And to show you I'm willing to put $ to mouth here, Cyn, I could write the script for the next visit; mom and the Meth lady won't even be talking to each other, or mom (prolly) will have requested a room change, citing the Meth lady's mental instability (or hair length). Mom is right where she wants to be, where she put herself; being waited on by staff, unaware that God has a plan.

The weirdest part is the role reversal, usually son
sticks to mom, but this tends to make TVs story more believable.

I have the hardcover, and the paperback, here;
I could tell you about dad, even. Great guy,
according to all, showed her grace her whole life. She detests grace. Etc, etc. You could write it, too.

For my $, you are just being way too accomodating to mom, TV, and when you tell her, "Hey, please don't call me anymore, unless you need help,
because I find you as obnoxious as your one fair-weather friend does," then she'll be getting all the grace she deserves from you. Ya, honesty, who knew. I told dad, and have gotten respect ever since. Well, people like that have no respect, but the change was instantaneous. I wasn't mad, or holier-than-thou; just honest.

You may as well try it, the codependent route you've been on all your life with her isn't working, right? Obviously, to have contracted pneumonia, she isn't communicating with anyone. Your conversation with your mother might start after this. I would keep grace uppermost in this conversation, which I recommend be a monologue, as she will surely start some retort
the moment you have your first phrase out, as I doubt she ever lets you finish a sentence, either. Tell her, even; "This is a monologue, i don't want to hear you. At all." Trust me, she will respond.

"he has to respect her..." How? She doesn't even respect herself.
Show this type of person respect at your peril.

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She screams self-loathing, don't expect her to respect you until you show her that you respect yourself. And even then, don't expect "normal" respect, but twisted pandering.
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I have to say that I probably don't want anyone/everyone to pray for me, in a physical sort of way, either. Feel free to pray for me from afar but you better not come up and slap your hand on my shoulder or especially my head and start yodeling in tongues over me lest I use my newly acquired CCW on you. OK, I jest. I wouldn't use my conceal carry weapon, but I MAY use my pepper spray, which would not be a good thing for any others nearby.
Ha, don't worry, they'll all be running at that point anyway. What self-serving yack that is. The shoulder slapper.

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Ha, don't worry, they'll all be running at that point anyway. What self-serving yack that is.
Ya know, there is a whacked out homeless man near where my wife works who's opinion I respect more (and who's ramblings are easier to understand).
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