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06-25-2012, 01:40 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Oh--TV1A. Whatever. You are right to run from that yack.
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06-25-2012, 01:46 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Like others I also found the part about not having contact with the mom over "legalism" strange but I am giving televsion one alpha the benefit of the doubt and will assume there is more to the dynamic than we know.
I do detect a lot of undercurrent here. Particuarly in Television's angst over mom not accepting his prayers. While I agree she is wrong for not wanting them I would never be pushy about praying for someone. It seemed to be very important to TV that she let him or want him to do this. In a normal relationship I could see that but in this case where they are estranged by his own account I don't get it.
I couldnt' help but wonder if televisiononealpha didn't have a fantasy of him praying for mom, her feeling a supernatural touch from God, and that causing her to change her mind about his status with God.
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06-25-2012, 01:48 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Not really seeing you as the bad guy...its a natural thing for there to be some difficulty with a parent seeing their child as an adult and treating them as such in some instances.Its easy for us to jump on you and say what you should do or what we would have done....the fact is that we aren't you and we haven't walked your circumstances.Ive watched my mother who is over 50 weep because HER mother still treats her like a child and never let her grow up and doesn't respect her decisions.Honoring your father and mother doesn't mean that you agree on everything or that you have to be in lockstep and if you stray from that lockstep you are somehow in the wrong.Sometimes to proporly honor them and avoid conflict you have to have a little distance in the relationship.
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06-25-2012, 01:49 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009
? We aren't exactly CNN here; best thing for her would be to read it prolly, anyway. I don't really understand this post, but I guess a lot of y'all are familiar with each other, each other's churches, etc? Who is Brothomas, anyway? About as anon as you can get, from up here anyway. But hey, if you know them, go talk to her? I'm with Bro, and let the dead bury the dead. Parents aren't supposed to vex their kids, either. The fact he cares enough to seek opinions declares his honor to me, and I've sen no names mentioned.
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I don't know these people from Adam... names don't have to be mentioned for him to disrespect her position as mother in his life... her nastiness, vileness, even abusiveness does not negate the direction of Scripture to honor her..... to turn the other cheek.... to bless those who curse you.... to pray for those that despitefully use you..... all of those are in our Manual for code of conduct, and those principles stand no matter what the back story is, and no matter if we know the parties personally or not. It's the Word.
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06-25-2012, 01:57 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins
I don't know these people from Adam... names don't have to be mentioned for him to disrespect her position as mother in his life... her nastiness, vileness, even abusiveness does not negate the direction of Scripture to honor her..... to turn the other cheek.... to bless those who curse you.... to pray for those that despitefully use you..... all of those are in our Manual for code of conduct, and those principles stand no matter what the back story is, and no matter if we know the parties personally or not. It's the Word.
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Well, but trashing her? Where is that? I'm pretty sensitive to that stuff, being a Codependent myself, and certainly would have no prob ripping TV if I detected any unforgiveness, which I am not.
As equally abusive as not recognizing your child has reached adulthood
is expecting your kid to be your parent, but being unwilling to follow their advice. I will say I'm detecting that you just have a good relationship with parents that are not codependent, and so this will not track for you. I envy you this.
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06-25-2012, 02:03 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Good grief, we don't know the family dynamics of this situation. So it isn't easy to comment. But, I will say this, I hope you aren't projecting your feelings on others, TV1a. Just because someone doesn't react the way we hope they will, doesn't mean they don't need us.
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06-25-2012, 02:06 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Please, she's in self-destruct mode.
She has pneumonia, for crying out loud.
She needs professional help, which I'm
guessing she won't listen to.
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06-25-2012, 02:07 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
I mean that's gotta be a pretty harsh and hurtful feeling when your mom sees you as not only n ot right in her eyes but also not right in Gods eyes.I would have a strong desire to try to reconcile but get weary of the arguing and fighting so I would feel like withdrawing a bit as well.
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06-25-2012, 02:09 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
Lacey I don't think its a situation of he doesn't want to help her...I think its a situation of that he knows she would reject it.
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06-25-2012, 02:10 PM
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Re: This Week's Encounters with Legalism
The Poster states in the original post..... "My mother is the classic legalist. She knows her standards better than she knows her Bible." Whether that be true or not, doesn't matter. Because it is the poster's mother, a much higher level of respect is deserved than that level of trashing.. NO MATTER WHAT MOM HAS DONE.
There is no exhorting, helpful, or praise worthy outcome that is reached by adding sentences like that into the narrative... all it does is tear the woman down... and no matter what she's done, that's not Biblical to do so.
Furthermore, the poster gives details to that the mom contacts a sister hours away instead of the poster.... again, taking the image of mom down so that the poster's image is raised some.
It's just not appropriate according to the direction of Scripture in how we not only talk/treat our parents, but anyone that we might have ought with. The Scriptures teach us to provide grace back for those that don't even deserve it.... this was just someone venting about how wronged they felt they had been... and someone tell me how that in any way helps in lifting up Jesus????
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