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Old 02-24-2009, 01:06 PM
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Re: Did Randy Hollis throw down the gauntlet?

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I don't know anything about RH but I can promise you if you don't substitute your religion with Jesus Christ then all the freedoms in the world don't matter and you will drift.

It isn't easy leaving an incorrect doctrine for truth without there being some shakeups. People who have hid their sins and unbelief for years in a legalistic/UPC type church can no longer do this in a church where the Holy Spirit leads. The problem with legalism is that sin is never allowed to be exposed and the need for Christ is diminished.

This is why we have examples of people trying to remain true to the Acts 2:38/three-step doctrine and who leave standards many times go off the deep end. If you want to leave legalism you must have a walk with Jesus.

Here is a great article that deals with this topic of people leaving the UPC yet still clinging to a salvation plan that isn't correct.
http://inchristalone.org/BestBothWorlds.htm
I understand that but standards don't make you leave Jesus. Your heart does that on it's own. Also it is your opinion that the Acts 2:38 message is wrong. I don't agree with that and that is not my reason for being here or to debate it. Anyone can call anyone legalistic pretty much. Baptist have called COC legalists for years. Many Baptist Independants make UPC liberal. Yet they are OSAS and have many distinctives they feel is necessary. Christ must be our focus. I see nothing wrong with standards in the church as long as they are done with proper focus and love and are principle based teaching that reflect the Word of God.
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Re: Did Randy Hollis throw down the gauntlet?

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I understand that but standards don't make you leave Jesus. Your heart does that on it's own. Also it is your opinion that the Acts 2:38 message is wrong. I don't agree with that and that is not my reason for being here or to debate it. Anyone can call anyone legalistic pretty much. Baptist have called COC legalists for years. Many Baptist Independants make UPC liberal. Yet they are OSAS and have many distinctives they feel is necessary. Christ must be our focus. I see nothing wrong with standards in the church as long as they are done with proper focus and love and are principle based teaching that reflect the Word of God.
If people want to have standards that doesn't bother me at all. Standards aren't necessarily a bad thing as long as the biblical emphasis of the church stays on Christ.
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If people want to have standards that doesn't bother me at all. Standards aren't necessarily a bad thing as long as the biblical emphasis of the church stays on Christ.
I agree!
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Re: Did Randy Hollis throw down the gauntlet?

I know Randy Hollis personally, and he has paid dearly for a deeper understanding of truth he and several others have tried to share. He has loved God and has not become bitter among the many mean spirited comments on here from so call God loving, kind, spirit filled children of God. He just preached at our church and 2 healing happened. One was from a lady that HAD a right eye that was blind. Praise God. Keep preaching the word my Brother!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:04 PM
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:29 PM
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Did Randy Hollis throw down the gauntlet? Or did he just "throw down!"

That all depends on your definition of the word "gauntlet." Here is just one definition of the word.

Gauntlet: a form of punishment in which a person is forced to run between two lines of men facing each other and armed with clubs or whips to beat the victim

That definition about sums it up. At the least, that is what happened after the article "The Emancipation of Isaac" was disclosed.

The topic might be dead on this message board. However, it is not dead within the ranks. There are 34 pages of posts concerning this topic. 34 pages of false accusations, sometimes hate, false brotherly love and just plain ignorance. Most of the insults' were playground insults', with no truth behind them. The name of the board here is called "Apostolic Friends Forum." Well, you are only a friend if you don't cross the line. There is really nothing friendly about that topic.

Most of you refer to yourselves as "Brother" or "Sister" with reverential gusto. Claiming to be men and women of God, full of love and faith. Your posts' don't depict that though. You are impervious to your own faults' and some of you sling slander and judgment as if you were claiming to swing a sword given directly to by God. Where is the Christ like feature in that action? Most of what I see on the board here, are a bunch of people throwing slander, gossiping about other Churches and a sore amount of boo-hooing about what you can and can not do. The Pentecostal movement "not just the UPC" has a bad rap because of some of these so called Saint's. Individuals in the Church wonder why the organization has not grown. Take a look at the post's and the attitudes here. The whole "beat em while they are down" attitude is still at the forefront of the Church. That one point will answer most of your questions. I will not even attempt to address the other and more pressing issues.

Now that you know how some of you sound and how I feel. I'll answer some great questions of mystery surrounding Randy Hollis and our Church. It's all quite taboo really. I'll make it so simple and direct....so that nobody can misinterpret what I am going to say.

Are we at Believers charismatic? That all depends on your definition of the word.
Charismatic: Of, relating to, or being a type of Christianity that emphasizes personal religious experience and divinely inspired powers, as of healing, prophecy, and the gift of tongues.

Well sure we are! I think that makes the UPC charismatic also. Start running!

Have the standards changed? YES! Most still come in skirts...unless you count the 100 or so amount of new people that come as they are. We don't beat them over the head with standards, so they do not feel the need to change. None of that should matter though. Because most of them have the Holy Ghost and are Baptized in Jesus Name. The rest are seeking.

Is the Doctrine the same? Yes! Our view of the truth will not change! The truth does not include skirts, hair, makeup and jewelry however. If the standards are apart of truth, then we are reading 2 different Bibles.

Most of you believe what you do, only because 1. That is all you have ever known. 2. A minister somewhere at sometime told you that the UPC had the truth and that they were the only one's with it. 3. You are too scared to seek out real Biblical truth for yourself. Possibly for fear of what happened to Randy Hollis. If you want to seek out what is really going on at our Church. Then I invite you to come. There will not be several Ministers sitting on the platform, looking out at the congregation and judging them. There will not be heathens at our Church running around claiming to be "set free." You will not be judged nor persecuted for your attire, hair or makeup. All you will find is a great man, serving God, calling upon the name of God to move in the services. And that is exactly what happens.

I know Randy Hollis better than any of you. I know his heart and his intentions. I can honestly say that he still has all the truth, just without all the man made rules to hinder the movement that God is about to provide.

Go ahead! Make your judgment calls'. Slander our Church and the Pastor. The truth is......most of you do not have a clue. Feel free to ask me any question. I'll answer it the best I can w/out hurting the Pastor. I will also not provide my name, for the sake of the Church.

Conjecture at best.

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"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

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Old 05-28-2012, 04:48 PM
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I can remember my grandfather preaching against coffee and ladies wearing red. And wearing deodarant b/c it was not natural. Women couldnt shave but a man had too.
yeah, right, we sure have lots of Scripture for this kind of silliness.......

well, shaving anywhere on the body for both men and women is tampering with the way God makes you, just like cutting the hair on your head or trimming your fingernails and toenails to alter the length God gives them.

Coffee and anything else with a "stimulant" lie sugar or speed is giving you an unnatural boost.

And, who can forget the woman in scarlet in the Book of Revelations (as it is some times called)
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There is more right with the church than wrong
some churches, yes and some churches, no.

The Church, the Body of Christ, has the imputed righteousness of Christ and has God's holiness imparted to her.
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And she is a work in progress, unfinished. And churches and denominations and institutions and organizations and small groups and youth groups and ladies groups and men's groups and bulletin board forums all have warts and blemishes and spots and wrinkles. But in His eyes we are His perfect children. He surely sees our faults and weaknesses, but He has credited to our account His righteousness by His grace through our faith and trust in His perfect life and perfect work on Calvary!

Let not your heart be troubled! He will present to Himself a glorious church without spot or wrinkle washed in the blood of the Lamb!
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