What Are You Preparing For?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Here's the problem with that-
-Rapture doctrine is preached as
"escaping Armageddon," right?

Yet the rapture does not occur until the
7th trump, and the antiChrist comes
at the 6th trump.

A look at what is meant by
"prepared for the rapture"
reveals the lie.

rapture happends on the last day. after tribulation. the saints was given over. if all the saints are gone who is given over? If the holy spirit has been removed There will be no conviction.

will there be a rapture, or a catching away of saints yes. Before tribulation, I dont believe so.

[Sam]

ok, I know I said, "no comment" but I will flip flop and comment.

This is a comment, not an argument. I won't argue over stuff like this. There are just so many different ways Christians see these things and they are actually trivial when compared to other things.

I personally am pre-trib. I believe that Jesus Christ will call His people out of this world (rapture) before the tribulation.

In my opinion we see the Church Age in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 followed by the Rapture with the voice like a trumpet saying, "Come up hither" in chapter 4. In my opinion this is the "last trump" for the Church and is also mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. We then see the tribulation in chapters 6-19 with the second coming in chapter 19, followed by 1000 years of peace (not able to say how literal the number 1000 is) followed by the second resurrection and the new heavens and new earth.

If anyone sees this differently, that is fine with me. I don't base my fellowship on eschatological views.

[bbyrd009]

Ah, well ty. I had always heard this "pre-trib" and "post-trib" stuff,
and wasn't really aware of what it meant.

Your "last trump" was taught to me as the 7th trump,
we agree there. My understanding is that this is after the
antichrist, at the 6th trump.

But I agree with you in spirit, that it shouldn't matter;
as long as "pre-trib" doesn't mean "you as a believer
don't need to study Scripture to know how to battle
antichrist, since you are going to fly away."

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Timmy

There are many different timelines. Which one's right? (If any? )

I have to believe the documentation for pre-trib is
compelling, for it to have become a doctrine.
Now that I'm aware, I'll go back and read the
"pre or post trib" thread(s), but I doubt I'll be able
to shed any light there.

I mostly take Sam, et al's arguments back to
Arnold Murray--a post-tribber, I guess--to get his reply.
But I agree with Sam here in Spirit.

As to the "if any," the abundance of prophecy
concerning the First coming v its actualization
naturally leads me to reject any popular
doctrine of men; which doesn't mean one isn't right.

I'm not interested in this from an eschatological
pov, so much as how it might affect a believer today.
I've never heard it preached, only 2nd hand, but apparently
it is possible to get a message similar to what I related
to Sam in the post above, and I have witnessed what I
would call fruit of certain rapture doctrines that seemed
to reflect this attitude.