Same God or different God?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

Ishmael was not the father of Islam. Nor is there evidence that Mohammed was a descendant of Ishmael.

The fact they the RCC has put into place the traditions of men taken from the pagan rituals around them does not mean that the Bible ever endorsed such things. In fact, the RCC believes that their councils have the same effect as if they were writing or rewriting Scripture as the case may be.
This makes them incompatible with the New Testament Scripture, and therefore they are outside of the true Church of the Living God.

Well, see how their official doctrine may not necessarily reflect
the individuals who participate in that model--or any other model.

And you have now defined "true Church of the living God"
in a way that excludes, and God might not care less
about that part, and vengeance is His anyway-
-that is His area, that part we are trying to talk about.

At "Ishmael...," I'd put that to a Muslim for the best answer,
but I'm pretty sure "father" is going to resonate the most strongly?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Israel was chosen in the past, to bring Messiah to the world in fulfilling the promises and prophecies.

Beyond that, each person is blessed or cursed by God according to their own responsibility, and acceptance/rejection of Him.

It is a matter of faithfulness; not of lineages, pedigrees, and DNA.

Those who yield to the Lord Jesus Christ and faithfully follow Him, are God's chosen now.

Amen to all that. See that Christ is a Spirit and a Truth,
and how it is that someone in any model
might find Him.

[Walks_in_islam]

You sound upset (yawn). I was quite sure that the generalization about suicide bombers and moose etc had nothing to do with the issue at hand. Not, mind you, that the remarks were all that effective but it did (manage to) get you idly noticed.

On second thought - the name sounds German to me. Are you positive about your answer? I have some insightful and entertaining observations on this......LOL some GREAT generalizations to make (but nothing nearly as lame as the moose or bomber thing).

Jus sayin'......

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

No, it's not.
And it has nothing to do with the discussion.

You were ridiculing Jay about his photo earlier as well.

Stick to the issue at hand or keep silent, don't get into
ridiculing people's names or photos.

[bbyrd009]

Yes, it is easy to see how anyone else is different;
difficult to see how they are exactly the same.

:thousandyardstare

[Walks_in_islam]

There is no claim that ?Ishmael was the father of Islam?

Originally Posted by Jay

Ishmael was not the father of Islam. Nor is there evidence that Mohammed was a descendant of Ishmael.

The fact they the RCC has put into place the traditions of men taken from the pagan rituals around them does not mean that the Bible ever endorsed such things. In fact, the RCC believes that their councils have the same effect as if they were writing or rewriting Scripture as the case may be.
This makes them incompatible with the New Testament Scripture, and therefore they are outside of the true Church of the Living God.

[Dordrecht]

On second thought - the name sounds German to me. Are you positive about your answer?

You have no clue what you are talking about.
But since you are at a loss (and others might want to know), I will tell you what "Dordrecht" stands for.
It's the oldest city in the Netherlands which happens to me my hometown.

So, now you can go back preaching about your false demonic cult designed by satan to fight the living God. A battle that you will not win.

[bbyrd009]

Dordt, I really have no ax to grind here;
but if you can imagine how Ishmael
felt about the Christians of his day
praying to Mary, you might see how
that characterization of another religion
might be universal.

I don't think you are satanic for this;
but the characterization itself is, imo.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

There is no claim that ?Ishmael was the father of Islam?

Ishmael was not the father of Islam. That was Mohammed and no one else.

[bbyrd009]

Here is a priceless example:
A Fox News characterization,
"Alligator attacks man,"
http://video.foxnews.com/v/164443048...caught-on-tape

Now, what you will miss with this clip,
in another typical Fox edit, is that the
gator was just lying there not bugging
the guy, until the 150 lb guy decided
to go over to the 300 lb. gator and straddle it,
to what end I am oblivious.

The subtitle gives a clue:
"Scientists had to save the reptile,"
lol. Trust that Fox treats gators better
than Muslims.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Dordt, I really have no ax to grind here;
but if you can imagine how Ishmael
felt about the Christians of his day
praying to Mary, you might see how
that characterization of another religion
might be universal.

I don't think you are satanic for this;
but the characterization itself is, imo.

Byrd, that should be Mohammed. I agree that it was appalling, however, much of the visible church in that area had converted over to Trinitarianism and Mariolatry. I have never had a problem with Mohammed taking a disliking to the issue such as that. Pagans were at least honest about what they were doing.