Same God or different God?

[Dordrecht]

There is no Allah. Allah does not exist, and Mohammed was a fraud.

[Jay]

Byrd, I have never understood your issue with the Kennites. Especially as they were related to the children of Israel (cousins or something way back).

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

There is no Allah. Allah does not exist, and Mohammed was a fraud.

Well, imagine how those who insist on One God
(referred to in the first person as "We") feel
about any religion that reduces from those who would
put a halo on Mary. I'm pretty sure Jay prays
to Christ. Oh, ya, and these just happen to rep the
(sorry) greedy pigs jamming their blood funnel
into my culture?

You are fighting an aspect of God, Dordt,
and your own Scripture condemns you-
-"...and Ishmael was blessed of God."

So you might consider your words.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

Byrd, I have never understood your issue with the Kennites. Especially as they were related to the children of Israel (cousins or something way back).

Kenite = son of Cain.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Well, imagine how those who insist on One God
(referred to in the first person as "We") feel
about any religion that reduces from those who would
put a halo on Mary. I'm pretty sure Jay prays
to Christ. Oh, ya, and these just happen to rep the
(sorry) greedy pigs jamming their blood funnel
into my culture?

You are fighting an aspect of God, Dordt,
and your own Scripture condemns you-
-"...and Ishmael was blessed of God."

So you might consider your words.

Ishmael was not the father of Islam. Nor is there evidence that Mohammed was a descendant of Ishmael.

The fact they the RCC has put into place the traditions of men taken from the pagan rituals around them does not mean that the Bible ever endorsed such things. In fact, the RCC believes that their councils have the same effect as if they were writing or rewriting Scripture as the case may be.
This makes them incompatible with the New Testament Scripture, and therefore they are outside of the true Church of the Living God.

[Dordrecht]

You are fighting an aspect of God, Dordt,
and your own Scripture condemns you-
-"...and Ishmael was blessed of God."

Israel was chosen in the past, to bring Messiah to the world in fulfilling the promises and prophecies.

Beyond that, each person is blessed or cursed by God according to their own responsibility, and acceptance/rejection of Him.

It is a matter of faithfulness; not of lineages, pedigrees, and DNA.

Those who yield to the Lord Jesus Christ and faithfully follow Him, are God's chosen now.

[Walks_in_islam]

These are not wild claims. They are factual claims.

Preserved in Socrates Scholasticus’ Ecclesiastical History 1:9 and elsewhere the following letter of Constantine contains explicit references to the banning and burning of books written by Porphry, and that Porphyrian Arius of Alexandria immediately following the council of Nicaea, c.325 CE. In his following letter to "Everybody", Constantine classifies the "Banned Books" as:
(1) Evil, wicked, rebukable, rejectable, unlawful, and anti-christian
(2) To be the subject of righteous destruction, along with their memory
(3) to attract the death penalty: if found in possession of any "banned books"
(4) The banned books and the heretics were to be dealt with by fire.

The selection of your books was the beginning of the end of whatever the "church" was to be. What followed was born in blood and continues to live in blood and there has been more bloodshed in the name of the church than in any cause anywhere in the world. Such are your roots. It is how you formed and is what you are.

The Quran acknowledges Jesus along with other specific Prophets and Messengers, most of which are referenced in the Bible and some who are not. The themes of singularity, required sacrifice, and faith are referenced back and forth and are consistant from the beginning to end. The Quran also acknowledges that Jesus was created from God and returned to God (one of only 2 who did) and that though it was believed that He was killed he was not.

The authenticity of the Gospels is questionable as there are (3) very different versions of Jesus' death including time, last words, what happened afterwards, and all 3 are completely different. Three different and complete versions of the same story cannot all be correct. It is written down for all to read and see. You claim authenticity from this? It is not possible. The rest of the teachings in the books that follow are in contradiction to the teachings of Jesus. Do you to tell me that Jesus taught your 3-step? Indeed he did not. Instead he taught another message that you and your fellows do not choose to follow and you and your fellows further convolute that message with a whole list of "rules and standards" on issues that your book, from front to back, is silent on. I do not say and will never say that the fragments of captured messages of Jesus are not authentic, but I know for sure 100% and truly that your message is not.

Originally Posted by Jay

Again, you need to do more research before you make wild claims. There were only a very few if any books of the Bible that were not certain of being inspired by the time of Nicea. Within the first 30-50 years of church history (long predating the Nicean Council, all of the books of the Old Testament except for Esther, and all of the New Testament with the exception of II and III John and a bit of debate concerning Revelation were believed to be Scripture. There were a very few other texts that were considered, and some of them were included at Nicea even though there were doubts about them, and they were from the intertestamental period.


Further, I have never denied that there is absolutely one God. He created for himself a human body, dwelt in it, that body prayed, suffered, and died, whereupon three days later He rose from the dead under His own power, and then ascended into Heaven. You may deny the New Testament's authenticity, but then you undercut the Koran from which used it to claim that Christ was indeed a prophet of Allah.

[Walks_in_islam]

<grin> Kami-kaze is not an Arabic word.

Would you like some other historical references or do you want to maybe redact that statement??

?Speaking of Kami-kaze does "Dordrecht" happen to be a German name?

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, go ahead make an issue out of him being called "moose-lem".

He comes in here mocking my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!

And remember one thing:

Not all muslims are suicide bombers,
but all suicide bombers are muslims.

[Walks_in_islam]

Many have claimed that Allah does not exist. He does and Jesus prayed to Him. The Quran holds up to scrutiny. Your teachings do not.

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

There is no Allah. Allah does not exist, and Mohammed was a fraud.

[Dordrecht]

Speaking of Kami-kaze does "Dordrecht" happen to be a German name?

No, it's not.
And it has nothing to do with the discussion.

You were ridiculing Jay about his photo earlier as well.

Stick to the issue at hand or keep silent, don't get into
ridiculing people's names or photos.