Same God or different God?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ya, wasn't interested in picking that scab, really.
God has many names, and I think you post a "fact"
from fancy? My experience with Muslims is that they
talk less and follow more, frankly.

I gather that "trinny" doesn't really apply to a Catholic, then?
Not sure what a Muslim would say about a trinny, although
I'm pretty sure, actually--but a Muslim would credit even a
Catholic with recognizing the "same" God, not to say
"worshipping," as they have "joined partners with Allah."

I'm not really too interested in the argumentative
semantics of a trinny--Christ has made it plain who
He worships, and I find His words line up
just fine with the Qur'an, if the interpretations
often do not.

I mean, do you pray to Christ? No.

I will not get into the debate that you dread concerning the Trinity. However, I will say that Mohammed rejected the Christianity of his day because of the Trinity and the veneration of Mary. This was the Catholic/Orthodox position at the time. He would also not approve of the worshipful verneration given to the departed dead who are listed in the record as 'saints'.

Btw, I do pray to Christ and Christ alone.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I see. So now you deny that Jesus prayed and fasted?

If it was good enough for Jesus to do and example for you to do then it is good enough for us to do - thanks. Methinks you know not your own book.

Nice hair. Is that a "pentecostal" cut? Are you also one who teaches that those who have a beard (such as the beard that you also teach was plucked out for your sins) then that beard is not allowed on your pulpit?

Small wonder indeed that praying and fasting to Allah/ELOH/Eli/Elohim (such as exampled by Jesus) is also rejected.

Recommendation: Lose the hairspray, get your nose out of that 200-page manual of rules and regulations, kick those moneychangers up in missouri out onto the street to "minister" aka work, sink, or swim (and stop skimming generous salaries and retirement benefits from the offering plates), and then stick your nose in that book that you are supposed to know and study and teach from it and it alone.

Your message may be more effective that way.

Hahahahahaha!!!!

That was funny and on many levels.

First, I have never denied that Jesus prayed, fasted, and performed good works (the Bible states that all of the above occured). I do hold that prayer, fasting, and Bible reading should be practiced more regularly and longer than what they are. So on this we are in harmony.


I have worn my hair in that style for many years now as it suited the nature of my hair. There are many hairstyles for both men and women that are modest, attractive, and look nice. Further there was neither spray or gel in my hair for that photo. I still do not always use it unless I desire it to hold.


My opinion of the issue of wearing of beards is still out, and I have nothing to say further on that issue. Only time will tell if my opinion changes, and no I do not believe that my opinion is posted anywhere on this forum, and I am not inclined to defend my position from whichever side I disagree with. Further, the issue of beards is unrelated to fasting and prayer.

I have no book of rules and regulations that I follow, and certainly none that amount to the length you scoff at. Further, I have never held a license with said group in MO. I preach and teach from the Bible, and not from any other book, nor am I told by anyone what to preach (although if my pastor were to do so, I would).

You need to research me and my posts on this forum before you start issuing statments about me. My opinions, statements, corrections, questions, and more are here. Maybe no in their most complete form, but here nonetheless. I really did enjoy reading your post.

[Dordrecht]

Jay, you are wasting your time.
This so called moose-lem guy is only here to provoke you, man.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Jay, you are wasting your time.
This so called moose-lem guy is only here to provoke you, man.

I know that he is attempting to get under my skin, but his post was so funny and outrageous that I was having a difficult time not laughing out loud. As I said, research is very important. He is not even truly a faithful Moslem otherwise he would not be advocating that we worship the same God. After all, does not the Koran itself state that Allah has no Son?

[Walks_in_islam]

Doctrinal research. Innocent research at that. True the issue of beards is unrelated (unless) one would advocate from one side of one's mouth or one fork on ones tongue that prayer and fasting are required and from the other side of ones mouth (or) other fork on ones tongue that beards are prohibited which would then set a defined path walled by (2) unrelated things. With this in mind my comment was more of a question than a drawn conclusion as said path and said walls amuse me to no end.

Do you to otherwise and kindly not put words in my mouth as I did not advocate that we worship the same God. I stated simply that we worship the same God that Jesus worshipped and left further conclusion beyond that as open ended.

"Oh people of the Book: Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh... (Quran 3: 64)

Originally Posted by Jay

I know that he is attempting to get under my skin, but his post was so funny and outrageous that I was having a difficult time not laughing out loud. As I said, research is very important. He is not even truly a faithful Moslem otherwise he would not be advocating that we worship the same God. After all, does not the Koran itself state that Allah has no Son?

[Dordrecht]

"Iran’s ayatollahs are showing frustration with Iranians leaving Islam for Christianity in large numbers despite the threat of execution for apostasy," reports Reza Khalili on The Daily Caller website.

"A former intelligence officer in the Guards, who has now defected to Europe, told The Daily Caller that the country’s regime has ordered the domestic intelligence apparatus to use drastic measures to stop them — including imprisonment, torture and the mass-burning of Bibles.

According to a report by Mohammad Reza Modaber, the chief editor of the Christian Farsi language Mohabat News, two Christian converts in their mid 20s were arrested in April after intelligence agents entered their home in Tehran without warrants.

One agent, responding to the mother of the arrested who asked where they were taking her children and why, responded mockingly, 'Tell Jesus to come and rescue them.'

TheDC’s source who was formerly an Iranian intelligence officer indicated that in the city of Shiraz alone, with a population of over one million, there were 30,000 files at the intelligence headquarters on individuals who had converted to Christianity...."

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

...Btw, I do pray to Christ and Christ alone...

Well, I'm pretty sure you will be forgiven even of this,
when you repent.

I am truly ignorant of the Catholic/Trinny thing-
-but you make an excellent point that Islam
mostly rails at the Romish version of Christianity
(Which you seem to have adopted? I'm sure
WII has prolly already quoted Christ's words
to you on the subject...)

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Jay, you are wasting your time.
This so called moose-lem guy is only here to provoke you, man.

Ya, that'll help. Way to rep.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

...I stated simply that we worship the same God that Jesus worshipped...
"Oh people of the Book: Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh... (Quran 3: 64)

Ah. Sadly, as has been demon-strated in a post above, we in the West have pretty much rejected that God. Apparently He has a problem with instant gratification; go figure. The justest word you will likely get over here is "terrorist," Oh- "moose-lem."

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

...individuals who had converted to Christianity...

Bet you still couldn't get one of them to say "moose-lem."
Now there are some Christians;
and trust and believe that none of them are praying to Christ.

You reinforce an imaginary wall.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

...Mohammed rejected the Christianity of his day because of the Trinity and the veneration of Mary...

I'm sincerely seeking a better rep of true belief; and hardly finding one
(beside the Son of Man, obviously) My ax is all ground away now.

Wadr, for a great picture of US,
one might go see The Avengers;
I'm pretty sure Thor, and prolly Diana, etc.,
our whole pantheon, is in there, along with the
Righteous Vengeance that we have whole-heartedly adopted.