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Old 05-14-2012, 08:35 AM
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Re: Truth Obscured

Hmm, not quite what I had in mind,
but if it makes truth unobscured to someone else...

I might have said
"If you drive a car that uses gasoline,
don't bother praying for healing for,"
I don't know, "your nation's debt"
maybe.

But I guess I see your point.
If you are praying to your High Priest
you have other problems, anyway?

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Old 05-14-2012, 09:48 AM
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Hmm, not quite what I had in mind,
but if it makes truth unobscured to someone else...

I might have said
"If you drive a car that uses gasoline,
don't bother praying for healing for,"
I don't know, "your nation's debt"
maybe.

But I guess I see your point.
If you are praying to your High Priest
you have other problems, anyway?
I suppose so. But hey, if it actually works, like it did in
the song
, why not?

3) If your buddy is on the brink of death, in a hospital, and the doctors want to operate, right now, to save his life, just say "No! We'll pray instead."

http://leestoneking.com/my%20miracle.htm (Find "doctor's advice was" on the page.)
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:03 AM
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I suppose so. But hey, if it actually works, like it did in
the song
, why not?

3) If your buddy is on the brink of death, in a hospital, and the doctors want to operate, right now, to save his life, just say "No! We'll pray instead."

http://leestoneking.com/my%20miracle.htm (Find "doctor's advice was" on the page.)
Ha, I think she meant that as allegory?
And ok, although I have no objection, really,
to your direction here, I meant to supply
instances of obscured hypocrisy that
I might be vulnerable to?

I'm persuaded that someone who needs
medical attn., and yet refuses to avail themselves of it
is "a brother to him who commits suicide;"
but there are certainly many shades there.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:05 AM
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Ha, I think she meant that as allegory?
And ok, although I have no objection, really,
to your direction here, I meant to supply
instances of obscured hypocrisy that
I might be vulnerable to?

I'm persuaded that someone who needs
medical attn., and yet refuses to avail themselves of it
is "a brother to him who commits suicide;"
but there are certainly many shades there.
Allegory of what?
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:21 AM
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Allegory of what?
Ha, since you surely already know,
I'm detecting a loaded Q; but I'll bite-
-"Allowing Christ to be the reason"
for your decisions, say.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:28 AM
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Ha, since you surely already know,
I'm detecting a loaded Q; but I'll bite-
-"Allowing Christ to be the reason"
for your decisions, say.
The reason for your decisions? Huh?
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:56 AM
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The reason for your decisions? Huh?
Well, maybe it could be put better?
I could rephrase, but find phrasing here
to be irrelevant, if "Jesus take the wheel" =
"I'm getting raptured, and you're prolly frying."
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ok, and not sure how literally you're meaning the song-
-I haven't heard it, so a synopsis might be in order if
there is something in the song you're referring to?
(I can't listen to it at the moment, and that genre of music
gags me anyway)
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ok, and not sure how literally you're meaning the song-
-I haven't heard it, so a synopsis might be in order if
there is something in the song you're referring to?
(I can't listen to it at the moment, and that genre of music
gags me anyway)
It's the story of a woman driving to see her folks. Got a baby on board. She was driving too fast, hits a patch of black ice, she's terrified, she lets go of the wheel and asks Jesus to take it. The car stops in the shoulder, and the baby slept through the whole thing. The lady then prays, repenting of unspecified things, promising to do better.

So, yeah, there is an analogy there. Letting go of the "wheel" of your life, and letting Jesus "drive". But if we are not expected to take this advice literally when driving a car, how are we supposed to take it? What things can Jesus "drive" for us? Should I let Him manage the check book? (Couldn't mess it up much worse than I do. ) Should He decide when I retire? (I could roll a die, I guess?)
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It's the story of a woman driving to see her folks. Got a baby on board. She was driving too fast, hits a patch of black ice, she's terrified, she lets go of the wheel and asks Jesus to take it. The car stops in the shoulder, and the baby slept through the whole thing. The lady then prays, repenting of unspecified things, promising to do better.

So, yeah, there is an analogy there. Letting go of the "wheel" of your life, and letting Jesus "drive". But if we are not expected to take this advice literally when driving a car, how are we supposed to take it? What things can Jesus "drive" for us? Should I let Him manage the check book? (Couldn't mess it up much worse than I do. ) Should He decide when I retire? (I could roll a die, I guess?)
Ah; well to me, anyway, that song would be satanic.
I would interpret it as relying on Christ to save you
from consequences, which just doesn't fly, imo-
-mostly why I hate the genre.

Now obviously there are like a million shades
in there; is "too fast" speeding? etc., and I am
posting the extreme view; but I have issues with
that def of "repenting" also--naming your sin(s)
will get your future prayer heard, I guess,
and is def a better state of mind than being
unable to admit to some sin...

Funny, like a lot of my objections, it isn't the
actual words I have a prob with, it's the image
they end up repping?

As to your other Qs, I honestly believe that one
should do as they are led, as they are, or should be,
a new creation.

To me, Christ is about love your neighbor,
and arguably couldn't care less about your checkbook?
From my pov, having a checking account implies investment
in the system we see melting around us; you are letting a bank, which is able to borrow money at no interest that you, by proxy, have borrowed from future generations thru China at interest. what is wrong with this picture?
What is the advantage to you? Come again? I do better in manure; but I note that bullion has just taken a nice dip...

And retirement-ha. Ok, if you think you hated my take on banking
(which btw I think banking in the 1940s model was fine)-
-God, please allow me to die in Your service, some horrible torture
or whatever, rather than retire.

Lol, meaning, the Spirit is prolly going to guide you differently,
and I don't expect, or desire anyone to follow me here.
Wonderful, spirit-filled people have checking accts, and retire, surely.

On rolling a die there; I doubt most would ask the right Q there?
"Retirement" = "hoard $ for years (that steadily erodes in value)
so that you may one day create your own little temporary
paradise of no labor, and all cares covered."

Just reeks too much of another counterfeit, imo.
You wanna cast lots, start out asking
"1-3, empty checking account and direct funds
to wherever Spirit indicates they are needed now,
trusting God for...everything else;
4-6 continue planning for retirement."

But I've seen the result come back 4-6,
then the guy dies of a heart attack
right at 65, and his benevolent wife
Spiritually administers the trust, lol.

True story. So, you never know.

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