Poor Muslims being Persecuted

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Sorry drummer, must disagree.

History has alreay proven you wrong and shall prove you wrong again.

The muslim religion, from it's foundation, is one of violence, as opposed to the Christian one of peace.

Check out some of the modern Christian Martyr websites. The persecution stuff is still going on. It is just in some counties where it is still held in check... probably because of a few rednecks wth guns.

The very idea behind the muslim faith is conversion by force. Always has been, still is, and always will be.

Sorry drummer, check it out, you will find out I am right.

Realy now propoganda is a powerful force I see. Not dening what may be found on Christian web sites Christians have been martyred in every country they have gone into with maybe the exception of a few. I don't take my understanding of other religions from what I see on the news but from their own books of scripture the Koran and although it has been awhile and I will reread it and others to check on the basis of their teachings. But regardless we still should not stereotyp everyone that is Muslim on the basis of a few. That is like saying every Christian is judgemental and condeming everyone to hell just because they don't believe the way they do. It hurts me when I hear and see Christians pass judgement on people they don't know based on conjectures and assumtions. Did not Jesus speak these words.

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

[Eniratak]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Realy now propoganda is a powerful force I see. Not dening what may be found on Christian web sites Christians have been martyred in every country they have gone into with maybe the exception of a few. I don't take my understanding of other religions from what I see on the news but from their own books of scripture the Koran and although it has been awhile and I will reread it and others to check on the basis of their teachings. But regardless we still should not stereotyp everyone that is Muslim on the basis of a few. That is like saying every Christian is judgemental and condeming everyone to hell just because they don't believe the way they do. It hurts me when I hear and see Christians pass judgement on people they don't know based on conjectures and assumtions. Did not Jesus speak these words.

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Brilliant post.
Absolutely true.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok, this just gets me....Christians are being tortured, raped, killed...having their homes taken or destroyed by fire BY Muslims in many places. In others it's illegal to have church services and if you do you can be imprisoned or killed....is this happening to Muslims all over?
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The gravest terrorist threat in the world today is Islamophobia, foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic Conference said this week.
“It is something that has assumed xenophobic proportions,” they said.
The ministers described Islamophobia as a deliberate defamation of Islam and discrimination and intolerance against Muslims. They accused Western media of misrepresenting Islam and Muslims worldwide, according to a report in Arab News.

“The linkage of terrorists and extremists with Islam in a generalized manner is unacceptable," the ministers said.

Click here to read the full report in Arab News.
"The increasingly negative political and media discourse targeting Muslims and Islam in the United States and Europe has made things all the more difficult," the foreign ministers said, according to the report.

“This campaign of calumny against Muslims resulted in the publication of the blasphemous cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in a Danish newspaper and the issuance of the inflammatory statement by Pope Benedict XVI,” the ministers said.

The ministers said the Islamophobic terror threat predates this decade, but worsened on Sept. 11, 2001.

“Islamophobia became a source of concern, especially after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, but the phenomenon was already there in Western societies in one form or the other," they said.

“It gained further momentum after the Madrid and London bombings. The killing of Dutch film director Theo van Gogh in 2004 was used in a wicked manner by certain quarters to stir up a frenzy against Muslims."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273312,00.html

Note that last part...stir up a frenzy against muslims? All we saw were Muslims stirred up INTO a frenzy and even threatening the life of those that drew the cartoons.

I am curious. Why do you hate so much? Do you even know or have you even met a Muslim or Muslim family? I really don't care that my wife occasionally gets called a "raghead" either.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I am curious. Why do you hate so much? Do you even know or have you even met a Muslim or Muslim family? I really don't care that my wife occasionally gets called a "raghead" either.

I don't think Praxeas has the fortitude to hate, rather he has the propensity to know that Christians are way more persecuted throughout the world than Muslims. And Muslims in America are no where near hated as Christians are in the Middle East.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Realy now propoganda is a powerful force I see. Not dening what may be found on Christian web sites Christians have been martyred in every country they have gone into with maybe the exception of a few. I don't take my understanding of other religions from what I see on the news but from their own books of scripture the Koran and although it has been awhile and I will reread it and others to check on the basis of their teachings. But regardless we still should not stereotyp everyone that is Muslim on the basis of a few. That is like saying every Christian is judgemental and condeming everyone to hell just because they don't believe the way they do. It hurts me when I hear and see Christians pass judgement on people they don't know based on conjectures and assumtions. Did not Jesus speak these words.

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

touche!!! for showing the real true Christian position regarding the islamic threat....

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I don't think Praxeas has the fortitude to hate, rather he has the propensity to know that Christians are way more persecuted throughout the world than Muslims. And Muslims in America are no where near hated as Christians are in the Middle East.

Um, what? I go there all the time, have wonderful, warm Muslim friends...I'm sorry, but this is just not true, at least the last part. Not sure who might win the "who is more persecuted" complex, er, contest.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Um, what? I go there all the time, have wonderful, warm Muslim friends...I'm sorry, but this is just not true, at least the last part. Not sure who might win the "who is more persecuted" complex, er, contest.

I can definitely tell you who will win the "who is killed more often by the opposing group because of religion" contest.

Seriously, bbyrd, I realize that there are a lot of wonderful Muslim people. I don't doubt that at all, experienced it myself a few times. However, you have to play at deliberately obtuse to not realize that *some* (and by *some* I mean a LARGE number) of Muslims HATE Christians and either support the persecution of Christians or actively persecute them. Further, Islam is dangerous for any non-Muslim by nature. Muslims who truly FOLLOW the Quran follow dangerous philosophies and commandments.

Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it not true. Be factual. Saying that there are dangerous, scary Muslims who hate and persecute Christians (and Americans) isn't a threat to any of your "wonderful, warm, Muslim" friends.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

(1)...realize that *some* (and by *some* I mean a LARGE number) of Muslims HATE Christians and either support the persecution of Christians or actively persecute them.(2) Further, Islam is dangerous for any non-Muslim by nature. Muslims who truly FOLLOW the Quran follow dangerous philosophies and commandments.

(3) Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it not true. Be factual. Saying that there are dangerous, scary Muslims who hate and persecute Christians (and Americans) isn't a threat to any of your "wonderful, warm, Muslim" friends.

1) Well, this could be true on some planet, but I have been mingling with them for like 25 years now, in the West Bank, all through the Sinai...and I've never had a problem? They knew I was a Christian.

2) This strikes me as wrong by def...what dangerous philosophies and commandments are you referring to?

3) What I dislike about it is that it mischaracterizes Islam, and the Qur'an, which states like every other page that when you resort to violence, you are no longer in Islam, and my experience with them bears this out; our most heated theological discussions seem to revolve around Godhead, and hours spent at this have led me to conclude that they reiterate what Christ said of Himself while incarnate; "Son of Man," while the Qur'an states that Christ was sent as an example.

Also, being witness to both sides, and to some little Muslim extremism, I have to say that Muslims are much less apt to attempt proselytizing, or exporting their beliefs; or to exporting quarrels, either. My knee-jerk feeling is that the US mostly makes the extremists, but I can't really verify this. I can certainly verify who is the more oppressed, and it isn't Christians...most Muslims lead a life that we would consider unthinkable.

I am convinced that our Government perpetrated 911 on us, and I note over half of our own pop thinks so too, now. If they would do that to us, what would they do to them?

There is a lot that I don't know; but I sure don't trust the party/Fox news line to fill me in.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

1) Well, this could be true on some planet, but I have been mingling with them for like 25 years now, in the West Bank, all through the Sinai...and I've never had a problem? They knew I was a Christian.

2) This strikes me as wrong by def...what dangerous philosophies and commandments are you referring to?

3) What I dislike about it is that it mischaracterizes Islam, and the Qur'an, which states like every other page that when you resort to violence, you are no longer in Islam, and my experience with them bears this out; our most heated theological discussions seem to revolve around Godhead, and hours spent at this have led me to conclude that they reiterate what Christ said of Himself while incarnate; "Son of Man," while the Qur'an states that Christ was sent as an example.

Also, being witness to both sides, and to some little Muslim extremism, I have to say that Muslims are much less apt to attempt proselytizing, or exporting their beliefs; or to exporting quarrels, either. My knee-jerk feeling is that the US mostly makes the extremists, but I can't really verify this. I can certainly verify who is the more oppressed, and it isn't Christians...most Muslims lead a life that we would consider unthinkable.

I am convinced that our Government perpetrated 911 on us, and I note over half of our own pop thinks so too, now. If they would do that to us, what would they do to them?

There is a lot that I don't know; but I sure don't trust the party/Fox news line to fill me in.

How so?

[AreYouReady?]

A lot of people think that Hoovie because a lot of information has leaked out in regards to media suppression to questions being asked by family members and not appropriately addressed by government.

That be something one would have to research for themselves.