Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Are you allowed to watch college football on the sabbath?

I'd say that is a personal decision, but if "watching college football"="rest" (GOD's rest; completely into rest) to you...--it would put me to sleep, so would qualify for me : ) imo

[bbyrd009]

A Jew would prolly describe Sabbath as "rest and relaxation," a personal or "family"...party, kind of, you got the Mogen David, some knish already prepared, you don't wash a dish, prolly don't answer the phone, may not answer the door, tra-la, for one day a week, well-deserved after 12 hour days since Sunday...

[TGBTG]

Paul quoted from the Law of God in Rom 7:7

Can a Sabbatarrian please explain their understanding of how:
1. Believers are DEAD to the Law of God
2. Believers are DELIVERED from the Law of God

Reference:
Rom 7
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[bbyrd009]

Amen. I am not under Law. Law and Sabbath are fulfilled in Christ, in a spiritual sense. However, this doesn't mean that Law is no longer of any effect, but that Grace covers Law for me when I sin. Physical Sabbath to me mirrors the spiritual, is not a requirement for salvation, will apparently be practiced in the future Kingdom, and came to me from the void, I mean all the way out there, for a Southern boy, and just got the internal nod despite much flesh resistance in a way that I don't expect of everyone, or maybe even most. I kind of view it in light of our differences on tongues, discounting its possibly being a requirement for salvation; a gift that I don't fully understand, my share of which got distributed on a bell curve, and I just got more Sabbath.

I am not compelled to observe the Sabbath, as then. The Sabbath serves me, I now see, whereas it served them then also, but being a Law was unappreciated in the way of humans.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Paul quoted from the Law of God in Rom 7:7

Can a Sabbatarrian please explain their understanding of how:
1. Believers are DEAD to the Law of God
2. Believers are DELIVERED from the Law of God

Reference:
Rom 7
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Come on, we have already answered this many times, we are dead to the Law of Moses. this has nothing to do with the law of God, which are the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commadments were never abrogated or destroyed, but they were even elavated by Jesus, for he taught the full spirit of the Law of God.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Come on, we have already answered this many times, we are dead to the Law of Moses. this has nothing to do with the law of God, which are the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commadments were never abrogated or destroyed, but they were even elavated by Jesus, for he taught the full spirit of the Law of God.

Actually, Paul was quoting from the 10 commandments when he said "we're delivered from the Law"

Rom 7
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Ex 20:17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

[TGBTG]

I will quote Aquila here...

Originally Posted by Aquila

Again, you aren’t distinguishing between the Law of God from the Law of Moses. For example, the Law of Moses was delivered to Moses and written by Moses upon parchment and placed in the side of the ark. The Law of God was written by God upon stone (testifying to its enduring nature) and placed within the ark under the mercy seat. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for “man”, not “man” for the Sabbath. Notice Jesus didn’t say, “Jews”. The Ten Commandments are a moral law that predates the Law of Moses and perhaps even creation itself. They perfectly reveal God’s Holy nature and intentions for mankind.

Sin is transgression of the Law. What Law? Law of Moses or the Law of God? The ordinances which were against us that were nailed to the cross… or the Law whereby we are to purify ourselves??? Is the Law in its entirety abolished, or will every jot and tittle remain until heaven and earth pass away??? Jesus said it will remain… which Law? The Law of Moses or the Law of God??? You HAVE to distinguish between the two or you have mass confusion in the NT. Consider the following basic distinctions between the Law of Moses and the Law of God… wherewith without distinction… there would be mass contradiction. For example is the Law “spiritual” or “carnal”? A distinction must be made! I’ll list this for your review:

The Law of Moses

Called "the law of Moses"
LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.

Carnal
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Made nothing perfect
HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

And now consider the Law of God (the Ten Commandments):

The Law of God (Ten Commandments)

Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Spiritual
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Perfect
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross… not the Law of God (Ten Commandments).

At least, Aquila would agree that the Law Paul was referring to in Rom 7 is the Law of God.

So the question again is how are:
1. Believers DEAD to the Law of God (Rom 7:4)
2. Believers DELIVERED from the Law of God (Rom 7:6)

[TGBTG]

Sabbatarians, please enlighten us with your knowledge...thanks

[bbyrd009]

Man, I thought my last answer had some juice, dang...
I don't obey the Sabbath because of any Law;
but that isn't quite proper to say, because although I don't do because it is a requirement, but from desire, it is because of the Law, which is fulfilled when I obey my circumcised spirit in a matter, regardless of what anyone else says.

The other side of the coin is, if I make it a Law, and make you _______, well then I am just a liar, and the worst part is I don't even realize it, but everyone else does. This is what you see in other people. HhuhHhuh...pretty cool...

Change will never come with Law, but by withdrawing life or any encouragement from the negative, and providing it to the positive. It requires a complete change of mind.
What do you think?

guess I kinda changed the subject, but you can steer it back : )

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Man, I thought my last answer had some juice, dang...
I don't obey the Sabbath because of any Law;
but that isn't quite proper to say, because although I don't do because it is a requirement, but from desire, it is because of the Law, which is fulfilled when I obey my circumcised spirit in a matter, regardless of what anyone else says.

The other side of the coin is, if I make it a Law, and make you _______, well then I am just a liar, and the worst part is I don't even realize it, but everyone else does. This is what you see in other people. HhuhHhuh...pretty cool...

Change will never come with Law, but by withdrawing life or any encouragement from the negative, and providing it to the positive. It requires a complete change of mind.
What do you think?

guess I kinda changed the subject, but you can steer it back : )

I'm not asking if you obey the sabbath or why you obey the sabbath.

I'm asking what does it mean to a Sabbatarian to be DEAD to the Law and DELIVERED from the Law.

Romans 7
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Btw, the Law Paul is speaking about in Romans 7 is the 10 Commandments.