Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

so we have commandments but if whe dont obey it doesn't matter because we are not saved by commandments??

Spoken like all those I've met whoes primary concern is to avoid being singed by the firey flames of hell. But yes you are technically correct.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

just kidding, I'm a nurse.

Good thing... I'm a nurse too and I don't know many neurosurgeons who work weekends, LOL!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

so we have commandments but if whe dont obey it doesn't matter because we are not saved by commandments??

We must ask ourselves... Are we just wanting to be "saved"? Or are we wanting to be saved and please God by living holy unto the Lord?

[Aquila]

Please note: Tithing isn't in the Ten Commandments either. It's found only in the Law of Moses. lol

You'll find that most silly and legalistic standards originate from the Law of Moses. The Ten Commandments are very basic moral commandments. We've heard preachers say that one can live sinlessly for an entire day. How is that possible if we have no base definition for sin? The Ten Commandments provide this. If one can go a day...

- Only worshiping God
- Not engaging in idolatry
- Reverencing the name of God (Jesus)
- Honoring the Sabbath rest (spiritually in Christ everyday, practically on the Seventh Day)
- Honoring father and mother
- Refusing to murder in word or deed
- Refusing to commit adultery in thought or deed
- Not stealing
- Refusing to lie
- And being thankful for and content with what they have

...they have gone an entire day without sinning. You might think that's a "breeze". LOL But YOU have the Holy Ghost. Those who don't cannot do this. It's impossible. Their flesh will carry them away at some point.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Spoken like all those I've met whoes primary concern is to avoid being singed by the firey flames of hell. But yes you are technically correct.

Notice I said lost not hell. I agree it's a messed up mentality to only be concerned with what keeps us out of a burning hell, if there is one.

[Aquila]

Interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_yuO9eod4

[Nitehawk013]

I can't believe this lasted 15 pages thus far.

If the Sabbath were important, then surely Paul would have mentioned it to at least some of the GENTILE churches in foreign lands where the sabbath keeping tradition of the jews was non existant. Yet Paul never tells any of those churches in his letters to keep the Sabbath out of some bondage to the OT commandments.

Its odd to me that you are so staunch in your opposition to so much tradition and pagan influenced nonsense that had become law in modern church, yet you seem oh so fine with using some of the same dishonest tactics those supporters have used in order to prop up your "pet" doctrine of sabbath keeping Aquila. They too would claim, just as you hav ethroughout this thread, that all others are just misinterpretting what the verses are really saying and claiming special revelation(you did say a page back that God "revealed" to you) and having a "secret decoder ring" that allows you to perfectly understand when the scripture is talking about God's law or Moses' law when it simply says Law.

If you feel compelled to keep Sabbath, then have at it. But to wrap it in all this pseudo theological gobbledygoop is nonsense. We esteem no day better than others. We are indeed dead to the law. The law was fulfilled once and for all. Nailed to a cross. The gentiles, which is us, were never commanded keep Sabbath according to the 10Commandments.

Such a stringent appeal for obediance to the Sabbath is peculiar. You would mock anyone claiming to be equally faithful to the tithe, and they would have just as many verses to use as you do. Yet there scripturs would be out of context, but yours just happen to all be perfectly applied right? Funnny how that works.

[Aquila]

Consider this verse:

I John 3:3-4
{3:3} And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth
himself, even as he is pure. {3:4} Whosoever committeth
sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of
the law.

We are not bound by the Law of God??? Then what defines sin??? From what do we know to purify ourselves from???

[Truthseeker]

this about to get good.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I can't believe this lasted 15 pages thus far.

If the Sabbath were important, then surely Paul would have mentioned it to at least some of the GENTILE churches in foreign lands where the sabbath keeping tradition of the jews was non existant. Yet Paul never tells any of those churches in his letters to keep the Sabbath out of some bondage to the OT commandments.

Again, you aren’t distinguishing between the Law of God from the Law of Moses. For example, the Law of Moses was delivered to Moses and written by Moses upon parchment and placed in the side of the ark. The Law of God was written by God upon stone (testifying to its enduring nature) and placed within the ark under the mercy seat. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for “man”, not “man” for the Sabbath. Notice Jesus didn’t say, “Jews”. The Ten Commandments are a moral law that predates the Law of Moses and perhaps even creation itself. They perfectly reveal God’s Holy nature and intentions for mankind.

With regards to keeping the Sabbath…the early Christians met corporately on the Sabbath and the Gospel was preached. The book of Acts is very interesting in that it preserves the essential manners and customs needed to understand the early church. Regarding the Sabbath we read the following in the book of Acts:

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day [seventh day], and sat down.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath [seventh day].

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day [seventh day] came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath [seventh day] we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days [seventh day] reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath [seventh day], and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

It is clear that the early church customarily met corporately on the Sabbath to preach the Gospel in synagogues. When Christianity split form Judaism, they continued to meet on the Sabbath. History testifies that it was the Romanization of the church that began to shift corporate worship to Sunday to appease Roman pagans who wanted to synchronize their holy day of Sun worship with the new and growing “Christianity”. This caused some debate and finally the Emperor ruled on Sunday being the Christian day of worship throughout the Roman Empire. You CANNOT find even a hint of Sunday observance in the NT. However, we DO find a customary unchallenged custom regarding the Sabbath in the NT.

Its odd to me that you are so staunch in your opposition to so much tradition and pagan influenced nonsense that had become law in modern church, yet you seem oh so fine with using some of the same dishonest tactics those supporters have used in order to prop up your "pet" doctrine of sabbath keeping Aquila. They too would claim, just as you hav ethroughout this thread, that all others are just misinterpretting what the verses are really saying and claiming special revelation(you did say a page back that God "revealed" to you) and having a "secret decoder ring" that allows you to perfectly understand when the scripture is talking about God's law or Moses' law when it simply says Law.

We read,

I John 3:3-4
{3:3} And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth
himself, even as he is pure. {3:4} Whosoever committeth
sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of
the law.

Sin is transgression of the Law. What Law? Law of Moses or the Law of God? The ordinances which were against us that were nailed to the cross… or the Law whereby we are to purify ourselves??? Is the Law in its entirety abolished, or will every jot and tittle remain until heaven and earth pass away??? Jesus said it will remain… which Law? The Law of Moses or the Law of God??? You HAVE to distinguish between the two or you have mass confusion in the NT. Consider the following basic distinctions between the Law of Moses and the Law of God… wherewith without distinction… there would be mass contradiction. For example is the Law “spiritual” or “carnal”? A distinction must be made! I’ll list this for your review:

The Law of Moses

Called "the law of Moses"
LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.

Called "Law contained in ordinances"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Written by Moses in a book
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.

Placed in the side of the ark
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Ended at the cross
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Added because of sin
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Contrary to us, against us
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Judges no man
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Carnal
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Made nothing perfect
HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

And now consider the Law of God (the Ten Commandments):

The Law of God (Ten Commandments)

Called "the Law of the Lord"
ISA. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Called "the Royal law"
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Placed inside the ark
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:

Will stand forever
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Not grievous
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Judges all men
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Spiritual
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Perfect
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross… not the Law of God (Ten Commandments).

If you feel compelled to keep Sabbath, then have at it. But to wrap it in all this pseudo theological gobbledygoop is nonsense. We esteem no day better than others. We are indeed dead to the law. The law was fulfilled once and for all. Nailed to a cross. The gentiles, which is us, were never commanded keep Sabbath according to the 10Commandments.

You do error knowing not the Scriptures. Jesus said,

Matthew 5:17-19
{5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {5:18} For
verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled. {5:19} Whosoever therefore shall break one of
these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall
be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever
shall do and teach [them,] the same shall be called great in
the kingdom of heaven.

The Law stands. Not the ordinances of Moses, but the moral and Holy Law of God still stands. Adultery is still adultery. Murder is still murder. If there is no distinction… why then did the Lord deliver the Law of Moses to Moses to write on parchment and then have Moses place the book of Moses in the SIDE of the ark??? But God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger on stone, gave them to Moses, and commanded that Moses place the tablets INSIDE the ark beneath the mercy seat??? A CLEAR distinction drawn by God Himself! Can you answer this???

Such a stringent appeal for obediance to the Sabbath is peculiar. You would mock anyone claiming to be equally faithful to the tithe, and they would have just as many verses to use as you do. Yet there scripturs would be out of context, but yours just happen to all be perfectly applied right? Funnny how that works.

Can you find a command to tithe in the Law of God (the Ten Commandments)?

In fact… without the Ten Commandments… how would you determine what is sin at all???

Ah, but the BIBLE gives us an answer...

I John 3:4
{3:4}Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of
the law.

Sin is the transgression of the Law. The Law is clearly still in play. But we must ask... is it the ordinances found in the Law of Moses... or the commandments found in the Law of God (the Ten Commandments)?

These are important questions. Please answer.

Sadly, so many complained when they removed the Ten Commandments from the courthouse... but everyone was silent as they removed them from the Church.