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Old 01-30-2012, 11:09 AM
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I feel like if a doctor prescribes a medication to a person that doesn't need it, they're practicing a form of witchcraft. I also feel like if someone takes an herbal medicine or prescription drug they don't need, they're practicing a form of witchcraft.
What if the doctor THINKS the patient needs it?

What if the patient DOES need it? Like Vicodin for a migraine. Or an epi-pen in case they get stung by a bee? I know you said "....to a person that doesn't need it", but there is a bit of a conundrum here in that "need" isn't always well defined among different people.

And either way, how does "witchcraft" enter the picture? I know, I will start proclaiming that any guy wearing a beard is practicing witchcraft.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:21 AM
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What if the doctor THINKS the patient needs it?

What if the patient DOES need it? Like Vicodin for a migraine. Or an epi-pen in case they get stung by a bee? I know you said "....to a person that doesn't need it", but there is a bit of a conundrum here in that "need" isn't always well defined among different people.

And either way, how does "witchcraft" enter the picture? I know, I will start proclaiming that any guy wearing a beard is practicing witchcraft.
Well first off all things can be healed by the right amount of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word. That being said, there are enough over the counter pain products to deal with the pain of migraines. Pain can be dealt with. For example, my dad has four slipped discs in his back. He deals with that pain all the time, he doesn't even take over the counter meds. I have an ex girlfriend that suffers from migraines, she deals with it with excedrin medicine. In the case of the pen, it'll be pretty obvious if a person is allergic, as he or she will show swelling to a pretty high degree, and other symptoms. Most cases of "need" when it comes to pain medicine is a case of "want". And a lot of time it leads to dependence, a lot of these times the dependence comes from the like of the euphoria the drug gives you. I might not be correct to everyone else's opinions, but my opinion on medcation is if it can't be proven, don't medicate it. But keep in mind, this is only a personal, humanistic conviction. As for the witchcraft aspect, I have to admit I'm just starting to understand witchcraft through my own experiences, and witchcraft is often accompanies by perversion, which is a spirit which makes right seem wrong, and wrong seem right. This spirit I do understand thoroughly. My understanding is medication alters your mind, it changes the way you think, the way you feel, the way you act. And when the addiction aspect comes into play, one's life can be completely taken over. Try taking prescription pain medication for three months every day, then completely stopping it. Your body will hurt more than when you started taking it.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:36 AM
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Um, plus the Bible connects "pharmacy" and "witchcraft?" Did I miss a valid refute of this? Ty
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:40 AM
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Um, plus the Bible connects "pharmacy" and "witchcraft?" Did I miss a valid refute of this? Ty
Thank you bbyrd009, I tend to forget important facts at times when they're needed...
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:55 AM
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Um, plus the Bible connects "pharmacy" and "witchcraft?" Did I miss a valid refute of this? Ty
The Bible actually has them as separate and independent items...

I'm sorry that you find my broader interpretation of witchcraft to be
disturbing, but as a person who has used the power in question,
I assure you that it is the more correct definition of the two.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:56 AM
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Well first off all things can be healed by the right amount of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word. That being said, there are enough over the counter pain products to deal with the pain of migraines. Pain can be dealt with. For example, my dad has four slipped discs in his back. He deals with that pain all the time, he doesn't even take over the counter meds. I have an ex girlfriend that suffers from migraines, she deals with it with excedrin medicine. In the case of the pen, it'll be pretty obvious if a person is allergic, as he or she will show swelling to a pretty high degree, and other symptoms. Most cases of "need" when it comes to pain medicine is a case of "want". And a lot of time it leads to dependence, a lot of these times the dependence comes from the like of the euphoria the drug gives you. I might not be correct to everyone else's opinions, but my opinion on medcation is if it can't be proven, don't medicate it. But keep in mind, this is only a personal, humanistic conviction. As for the witchcraft aspect, I have to admit I'm just starting to understand witchcraft through my own experiences, and witchcraft is often accompanies by perversion, which is a spirit which makes right seem wrong, and wrong seem right. This spirit I do understand thoroughly. My understanding is medication alters your mind, it changes the way you think, the way you feel, the way you act. And when the addiction aspect comes into play, one's life can be completely taken over. Try taking prescription pain medication for three months every day, then completely stopping it. Your body will hurt more than when you started taking it.
You lost me at "all things can be healed..."
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You lost me at "all things can be healed..."
Just check the testimony section for proof...I have my own testimony but now's not the time.
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Just check the testimony section for proof...I have my own testimony but now's not the time.
No testimony can prove that all sickness can be healed. But it only takes one exception to disprove it. As you know, there are many exceptions. Pointing out that you said "with the right amount of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word" is pointless. Not to mention, a pretty cruel and heartless thing to say to someone who lost a loved one despite a lot of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word. What, they didn't quiiiiite make the cut? 100 prayers was, maybe, 10 short of the number God needed before He'd heal? Or did someone quit a fast just a day too soon?
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No testimony can prove that all sickness can be healed. But it only takes one exception to disprove it. As you know, there are many exceptions. Pointing out that you said "with the right amount of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word" is pointless. Not to mention, a pretty cruel and heartless thing to say to someone who lost a loved one despite a lot of faith, prayer, fasting, and reading God's word. What, they didn't quiiiiite make the cut? 100 prayers was, maybe, 10 short of the number God needed before He'd heal? Or did someone quit a fast just a day too soon?
A lot doesn't mean enough. I do apologize, maybe I was too broad by saying ALL things...Sometimes it may be God's will that they die. It certainly isn't God's will that everyone live forever (the physical human body before you catch me) I should have said God's able to heal all things, and some of the things we can do to increase the chances of healing is having faith, prayer, fasting, and reading the word. I consider miracles the only proof we have that he exists, I say again, God could come down, smash a physical hand on a government building, proclaim in a voice all the world would hear "Heed My Word" and mankind would offer all kinds of descriptions for what happened. He came 2000 years ago, did miracles for years, recorded it, and it still wasn't enough.
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A lot doesn't mean enough. I do apologize, maybe I was too broad by saying ALL things...Sometimes it may be God's will that they die. It certainly isn't God's will that everyone live forever (the physical human body before you catch me) I should have said God's able to heal all things, and some of the things we can do to increase the chances of healing is having faith, prayer, fasting, and reading the word. I consider miracles the only proof we have that he exists, I say again, God could come down, smash a physical hand on a government building, proclaim in a voice all the world would hear "Heed My Word" and mankind would offer all kinds of descriptions for what happened. He came 2000 years ago, did miracles for years, recorded it, and it still wasn't enough.
Thanks. That helps a little. Still, if God wanted my brother to die for some higher purpose, that doesn't inspire my love or allegiance. Should it?

And miracles are not proof of God's existence. They aren't really proof of anything, considering that it's not possible to know for sure if something was a miracle. How amazing does it have to be? Rods turning into snakes? Nope. Pharaoh's magicians did that. One magic snake devouring other magic snakes? Well, why couldn't the story have included yet another round of magic smackdowns? Why should the last one mentioned be proof that it really was God? It's arbitrary.
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