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03-07-2011, 12:31 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Nah, it's about a veil.
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05-07-2011, 07:44 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Why would preachers/pastors/ministers even think about junk like this and consider preaching/teaching on it?
Isn't this like straining out a gnat that Jesus mentioned?
The last time our family attended an Apostolic church was one Sunday night in the late nineteen seventies. We had been going there for about 15 years. Our ALJC pastor in his Sunday night sermon said, "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." After hearing that nonsense, we just never went back.
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It doesn't bother me a bit that some pastors ask the men in the church to be clean shaven (mine included). But i can say that if i was going to a church and the pastor didnt know the Word any better than that...i don't believe i would go back either.
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05-07-2011, 07:48 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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It doesn't bother me a bit that some pastors ask the men in the church to be clean shaven (mine included). But i can say that if i was going to a church and the pastor didnt know the Word any better than that...i don't believe i would go back either.
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Do you think there is any sensical reason to "ask" it at all though, aside from personal preference?
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05-07-2011, 07:54 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Do you think there is any sensical reason to "ask" it at all though, aside from personal preference?
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Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.
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05-07-2011, 08:12 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
"manscape"
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05-07-2011, 10:04 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
I shaved when I was asked to minister at a UPC church and was scheduled for two weeks. I preached on a Sunday Morning and night and had 12 filled with the Holy Ghost and 15 baptized in a church of around 100 that had very few results in the years past. The Pastor met me for breakfast on Monday morning and said that someone had seen my web page and that I had facial hair in some of the pictures. I said that is true but when I go into places that do not have facial hair or wear jewelry or whatever, I honor their customs and traditions and I shave before I get there. He asked me if I had planned to grow the facial hair (a very short goatee) back and I said yes. He said, well - This Revival is over, you can pack and check out of the hotel today! WOW! Was I surprised and sad as I thought this man had good sense! Unbelievable! He left there soon after the meeting and has not pastored again. What is wrong with people?
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05-07-2011, 10:11 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.
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Why do you believe that? It has never been a Bible Standard. It is absolutely an unreasonable demand and pressure put on men to submit to balance out the hair standard for the women. I too attended the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and absolutely heard it preached as a heaven and hell - disobeying the pastor and his authority.
I head NAU say many times from the pulpit, "THE HOMOSEXUAL WEARS THE BEARD!" He lied when he said it and he knew it was nothing less than a control issue. He did it to intimidate the men and bully them and I heard and saw him and others do it many times.
JEZEBEL IS STILL IN THE CHURCH - Manipulating, controlling, bullying just like she always had - but she is called a Superintendent, Presbyter, Pastor, Evangelist or whatever these days. SAD!
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05-07-2011, 10:13 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
Yep... sad, really!
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05-07-2011, 10:25 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Yes. I believe at one time it was a very applicable standard. It has probably lost its value but for the sake of respecting the elders, i do not see it as an unreasonable request at all. I attend some of the most conservative conferences in Pentecost and i have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue. And i know for certain my pastor does not see it as one either.
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Can we at least admit this position (that of your pastor I assume) is very complicated?
Assuming it was a good reaction to the hippie movement (I don't accept that BTW), how fast should the church be in responding to the cultural fads? Are we not a bit slow on this one? Did it take them 25 yrs to start preaching against beards and moustaches in 1960?
Not a heaven/hell issue? I agree, and would not consider shaving/not shaving because of pastoral whims. Neither would I accept instruction on circumcision/or not, nor the eating of meats and keeping of Holy Days...
It's time we asked some serious questions. Have we offended without cause those who wear facial hair? If so, we need to repent corporately and our leadership needs to grow facial hair as a sign of humility and sincere repentance.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-07-2011, 10:33 PM
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Re: Is it a sin for women to shave, pluck or other
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Can we at least admit this position (that of your pastor I assume) is very complicated?
Assuming it was a good reaction to the hippie movement (I don't accept that BTW), how fast should the church be in responding to the cultural fads? Are we not a bit slow on this one? Did it take them 25 yrs to start preaching against beards and moustaches in 1960?
Not a heaven/hell issue? I agree, and would not consider shaving/not shaving because of pastoral whims. Neither would I accept instruction on circumcision/or not, nor the eating of meats and keeping of Holy Days...
It's time we asked some serious questions. Have we offended without cause those who wear facial hair? If so, we need to repent corporately and our leadership needs to grow facial hair as a sign of humility and sincere repentance.
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GREAT POST! Very true and the answer is YES! But if they repented and said they were wrong - then they could not scream at everybody in camps and Campmeetings that "BLESS GOD WE HAVE NOT CHANGED!"
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