Television Issue!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by ILG

I don't attend church at all anymore. I left the UPC 6 years ago. But, I have internet and not TV. Here are my arguments. First off, I don't think the legalistic UPC stance is healthy. I watch all the videos I want without commercials and there are lots of shows on the internet. TV is noisy and I don't like that. I don't like commercials. With the internet, I pick and choose and don't have shows spoon fed to me. I watch TV in hotels and get my fill there. Will I never have a TV? Never say never, but I don't even think about it usually. I don't feel deprived. I would feel invaded if I had a TV in my house. I am just used to it this way. My very liberal sister (I mean vegetarian, environmentalist type) doesn't have a TV either.

I do think there more control with internet as far as watching shows. You can buy whole series without commercials, which sometimes commercials are worse then the shows on TV.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by notofworks

My thought is, your blatant disobedience to what the guidelines of your organization demand, isn't pleasing to God. If you have Charter cable TV while the Article of Faith clearly state that it's "Disapproved of", you should do the honorable thing and get rid of it, or be honest with yourself and leave the UPC.

Wouldn't that only be if he held a UPC license?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ILG

I don't attend church at all anymore. I left the UPC 6 years ago. But, I have internet and not TV. Here are my arguments. First off, I don't think the legalistic UPC stance is healthy. I watch all the videos I want without commercials and there are lots of shows on the internet. TV is noisy and I don't like that. I don't like commercials. With the internet, I pick and choose and don't have shows spoon fed to me. I watch TV in hotels and get my fill there. Will I never have a TV? Never say never, but I don't even think about it usually. I don't feel deprived. I would feel invaded if I had a TV in my house. I am just used to it this way. My very liberal sister (I mean vegetarian, environmentalist type) doesn't have a TV either.

That pretty much sums up what I think too!

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by notofworks

My thought is, your blatant disobedience to what the guidelines of your organization demand, isn't pleasing to God. If you have Charter cable TV while the Article of Faith clearly state that it's "Disapproved of", you should do the honorable thing and get rid of it, or be honest with yourself and leave the UPC.

I understand your point. The word "disapprove" doesn't connotate that a person cannot be in fellowship and have a TV in their home. I can disapprove of a lot of things my son does, but that doesn't mean I don't accept him. I see your point on the pastoral level. If you are in leadership and your pastor says you need to get rid of the cable to be in leadership, then you should do it.


Now the WPF is much harder..

No DVDS in your home at all.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

I understand your point. The word "disapprove" doesn't connotate that a person cannot be in fellowship and have a TV in their home. I can disapprove of a lot of things my son does, but that doesn't mean I don't accept him. I see your point on the pastoral level. If you are in leadership and your pastor says you need to get rid of the cable to be in leadership, then you should do it.


Now the WPF is much harder..

No DVDS in your home at all.

Technology is not the sin. Content is the sin.
Technology is not the sin. Rebelliousness is the sin.

How many of these WPF preachers are hardliners against TV, yet the attend places such as Disney World/Land, Universal Studios, or other such Amusement Parks sponsored by "Hollywood".

Hypocritical?

In my humble, the UPC stance against TV/Internet/Sports is totally miss understood (by those inside and out).

Speaking of internet, wish I could design a Router with Wifi that will use a specific DNS server, then sell it to all UPC/WPF people. I could make a killing!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

I understand your point. The word "disapprove" doesn't connotate that a person cannot be in fellowship and have a TV in their home. I can disapprove of a lot of things my son does, but that doesn't mean I don't accept him. I see your point on the pastoral level. If you are in leadership and your pastor says you need to get rid of the cable to be in leadership, then you should do it.


Now the WPF is much harder..

No DVDS in your home at all.

Where do you find that the WPF does not allow DVD's?
I am involved with both the UPC and WPF and have never heard this.
THanks.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Where do you find that the WPF does not allow DVD's?
I am involved with both the UPC and WPF and have never heard this.
THanks.

When the WPF was initially formed before the new website, I check it out because so many of my mentors are there. They mentioned no hollywood DVD's and other mediums. I should have placed emphasis on hollywood movie dvds because they use DVD for their services, some do.

but their articles of faith or revised say clearly that no mediums of hollywood style movies are allowed


The believer abstains from purveyors of all such, including, but not limited to, prurient print material, unclean musical acts and songs, and musical productions (I Corinthians 15:33), Hollywood-style movies, and television, worldly sports, improper internet content, and all other forms and mediums of such (Deuteronomy 7:26).(WPF articles of faith)

That statement is quite different than We admonish all of our people to abstain from these activities in the interest of spiritual progress. (from UPC)

One connotates a believer will always abstain, the other connotes we admonish our people (believers) to abstain.

Do you see the difference there?

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

When the WPF was initially formed before the new website, I check it out because so many of my mentors are there. They mentioned no hollywood DVD's and other mediums. I should have placed emphasis on hollywood movie dvds because they use DVD for their services, some do.

but their articles of faith or revised say clearly that no mediums of hollywood style movies are allowed


The believer abstains from purveyors of all such, including, but not limited to, prurient print material, unclean musical acts and songs, and musical productions (I Corinthians 15:33), Hollywood-style movies, and television, worldly sports, improper internet content, and all other forms and mediums of such (Deuteronomy 7:26).(WPF articles of faith)

That statement is quite different than We admonish all of our people to abstain from these activities in the interest of spiritual progress. (from UPC)

One connotates a believer will always abstain, the other connotes we admonish our people (believers) to abstain.

Do you see the difference there?

Question is, is that what they preach though? I guess they have to cover Ultra-Con to Utra-liberal in their own organization.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by NorCal

Question is, is that what they preach though? I guess they have to cover Ultra-Con to Utra-liberal in their own organization.

I only know my mentors from JCM. I think most of them hold up to it pretty much, although sports is followed, at least in the newspaper. (maybe internet )

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

I only know my mentors from JCM. I think most of them hold up to it pretty much, although sports is followed, at least in the newspaper. (maybe internet )

Well I am from NorCal, you know Morton, Wilson, etc. I think Morton would be the Ultra-Con and Wilson the Ultra-Lib