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07-22-2007, 09:53 AM
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David Pawson on the New Birth
Doing some preparation for this morning, I looked up David Pawson whom I have quoted on here and NFCF before, I thought this quote below, was a good representation of his theology. I encourage everyone to get his Book "The Normal Christian Birth" I believe it far surpasses anything published before by Word Aflame, including Bernard's works. He will clear up most misunderstanding and errors about this wonderful experience, he tackles most if not all problematic scriptures.
In The Normal Christian Birth, Pawson argued that a biblical understanding of Christianity should incorporate more than a simple 'prayer of repentance'. Whilst accepting the fundamental basis of salvation by faith, he argued that the Biblical model of a person's "birth" included aspects which are frequently ignored or forgotten today. He offered four typical steps: repentance towards God; believing in Jesus, baptism in water and receiving the Holy Spirit. This, according to Pawson, is the biblical pattern for a "normal Christian birth".
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07-22-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by keith4him
Doing some preparation for this morning, I looked up David Pawson whom I have quoted on here and NFCF before, I thought this quote below, was a good representation of his theology. I encourage everyone to get his Book "The Normal Christian Birth" I believe it far surpasses anything published before by Word Aflame, including Bernard's works. He will clear up most misunderstanding and errors about this wonderful experience, he tackles most if not all problematic scriptures.
In The Normal Christian Birth, Pawson argued that a biblical understanding of Christianity should incorporate more than a simple 'prayer of repentance'. Whilst accepting the fundamental basis of salvation by faith, he argued that the Biblical model of a person's "birth" included aspects which are frequently ignored or forgotten today. He offered four typical steps: repentance towards God; believing in Jesus, baptism in water and receiving the Holy Spirit. This, according to Pawson, is the biblical pattern for a "normal Christian birth".
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I would say that hearing the Word and belief comes before repentance. How can one believe what they have not heard?! Why would someone repent when they do not believe?!
Perhaps I am being too technical here...
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07-22-2007, 11:09 AM
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I would say that hearing the Word and belief comes before repentance. How can one believe what they have not heard?! Why would someone repent when they do not believe?!
Perhaps I am being too technical here...
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Barb, I may have inserted it wrongly, but he includes faith and repentance as the intial step..
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07-22-2007, 11:10 AM
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Barb, I may have inserted it wrongly, but he includes faith and repentance as the intial step..
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Sorry, Elder...as I said, I am just being technical this morning...
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07-22-2007, 03:17 PM
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sounds like he's "looking our way"........ 
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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07-22-2007, 03:19 PM
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Keith5Jeanie,
Who is this David Pawson guy?
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07-22-2007, 03:22 PM
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Keith5Jeanie,
Who is this David Pawson guy?
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A British theologian, some say the best since Spurgeon, very controversal because of what he now believes to the normative way to Born Again that runs contrary to much of what the modern church believes, pray the sinners prayer.
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07-22-2007, 03:30 PM
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A British theologian, some say the best since Spurgeon, very controversal because of what he now believes to the normative way to Born Again that runs contrary to much of what the modern church believes, pray the sinners prayer.
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I guess God is still in control [of course He is and that was never in doubt in my mind, it was just tic] and can lead people into the light of the Gospel.....
I would say we should pray for this man............
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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07-22-2007, 04:25 PM
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A British theologian, some say the best since Spurgeon,
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Except for J I Packer, Lloyd-Jones, and several others.
BTW, we reformed types don't believe that the 'sinner's prayer' saves anyone either.
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