Doctrinal Conference 2009 (Atlanta West)

[CC1]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Can you (or Bro. Epley) identify a single individual who will be in heaven who lived between the years 200 AD and 1913 AD?

One person, baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues?

This isn't Bro. Epley but I can - Bob.

There, I named him. Are you happy now?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by CC1

This isn't Bro. Epley but I can - Bob.

There, I named him. Are you happy now?

Thanks, but it really is an important point. Just about all of the OP orgs have statements that exclude sincere Christian believers (not to mention the wayward backslidding hair bobbing charismatic types) from salvation.

We really need to question this tendency to isolate ourselves from other believers. There are important issues to rally around - but the body as a whole is weakened and ineffective when all of its parts keep chopping off the other parts.

If it's unscriptural to fellowship in any way with "Trinitarians" - then it would be wrong for me to try and solicit their support in opposing a new abortion mill in my community. And in the end, the abortionists win. The list of the good we could do together is almost endless.

It's kind of hard to look them in the eye and do any good when every public statement we've ever made throws them into the same hell fire as the pornographers, rapists and murderers in the city.

[PraiseHymn]

Originally Posted by Justin

So, any new developments from this seminar? Or was it the same ole' UPCi doctrine?

Not only did we have knock down drag out church but we baptised many new converts into the Body of Christ in Jesus Name and plenty received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I was floored by the wealth of knowledge that both Segraves and Bernard had and everyone in attendance can agree to that.

This morning I led praise and worship and when I tell you the Power of God fell in the Temple. It was amazing. People were running to the altar repenting, getting filled all before the Word of God was even preached. I can tell you this much (since I am new to UPCI) Atlanta West Pentecostal Church is not your typical UPC church in that I mean we just dont preach doctrine, we preach to the WHOLE MAN and its no ones fault but your own if you did not get something from this doctrinal conference. To have a man of God like my Pastor who labors day and night for God and His people is just amazing. When you walk into our sanctuary, we litteraly look exactly like what heaven will look like....MULTICULTURAL.

With that said, next week once we tally the numbers and come back from Youth Congress, I'll have a more accurate number of how many people got saved. I can tell you this, I did see some familiar Atlanta Pastors in the audience so it was apparent to me that our witnessing technique worked.

All in all, we had KNOCK DOWN DRAG OUT CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Segraves even said this morning after we "cut up" that if he was in driving distance to AWPC he would make our church his new church home.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Not only did we have knock down drag out church but we baptised many new converts into the Body of Christ in Jesus Name and plenty received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I was floored by the wealth of knowledge that both Segraves and Bernard had and everyone in attendance can agree to that.

This morning I led praise and worship and when I tell you the Power of God fell in the Temple. It was amazing. People were running to the altar repenting, getting filled all before the Word of God was even preached. I can tell you this much (since I am new to UPCI) Atlanta West Pentecostal Church is not your typical UPC church in that I mean we just dont preach doctrine, we preach to the WHOLE MAN and its no ones fault but your own if you did not get something from this doctrinal conference. To have a man of God like my Pastor who labors day and night for God and His people is just amazing. When you walk into our sanctuary, we litteraly look exactly like what heaven will look like....MULTICULTURAL.

With that said, next week once we tally the numbers and come back from Youth Congress, I'll have a more accurate number of how many people got saved. I can tell you this, I did see some familiar Atlanta Pastors in the audience so it was apparent to me that our witnessing technique worked.

All in all, we had KNOCK DOWN DRAG OUT CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Segraves even said this morning after we "cut up" that if he was in driving distance to AWPC he would make our church his new church home.

Will there be any DVD's for sale?

[mizpeh]

Was your pastor appointed President of Gateway College?

[tv1a]

I love this multi quote feature. This is the quote I asked Epley about. Notice the backpeddling.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

ALL the early Christians in the Bible had been baptized in Jesus Name read the Book of Acts. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without being baptized in Jesus Name.

Epley starts out by suggesting every scripture indicates everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Now if you read his recent post, he backtracks and says a pattern suggestthe pattern is clear. In reality, in a few situations, we have to assume that is the case.

I agree with the assumptions that the examples I mentioned were baptized in Jesus name. I will not misrepresent scripture by saying that scripture says everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Pardon me for being too honest in religion. I refuse to manipulate words to suggest the Bible says something it doesn't.

There are other ways to prove the need for baptism other than suggesting the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name, when it doesn't say so.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The PATTERN is clear the command Mt. 28:19, Luke 24:47
the practice Acts 2:38, 8;12,8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
The inferences in the Epistles Rom. 6;3, Gal. 3:27, 1Cor 6:11.
The Apostles were NOT like false teachers today who did one thing in one city and another way in another city.
There are NO Christians who have not been baptized in Jesus Name!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Revend Eeply, would you concede that there are some Christians who may not say the EXACT thing we do at baptism?

Granted one must call on the name of Jesus for salvation.

The name of Jesus must be invoked at baptism to recieve remission of sins.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Can you (or Bro. Epley) identify a single individual who will be in heaven who lived between the years 200 AD and 1913 AD?

One person, baptized in Jesus' name and filled with the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues?

There is an abundance of material showing just that.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Aren't you a bit concerned that there was not a single person "who obeyed Acts 2:38," according to your interpretation of the verse, for around 1,700 years of the church's 2,000 years of existence?

Not one. Nobody?

I don't believe ONE word of this you are willingly ignorant.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I love this multi quote feature. This is the quote I asked Epley about. Notice the backpeddling.


Epley starts out by suggesting every scripture indicates everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Now if you read his recent post, he backtracks and says a pattern suggestthe pattern is clear. In reality, in a few situations, we have to assume that is the case.

I agree with the assumptions that the examples I mentioned were baptized in Jesus name. I will not misrepresent scripture by saying that scripture says everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Pardon me for being too honest in religion. I refuse to manipulate words to suggest the Bible says something it doesn't.

There are other ways to prove the need for baptism other than suggesting the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name, when it doesn't say so.

The you don't believe in the PATTERN? I believe the command was obeyed as recorded. When it doesn't say it is understood because of the Pattern.