Understanding Holiness - Page 9

wilderness · #81 03-18-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

A lot of our philosophy is founded in the "Holiness Movement". You can find some good books that discuss this, and it's pretty eye-opening. The very earliest One-God Pentecostals didn't adhere to many of the "standards" that are now accepted as gospel.

Unfortunately, what many have done is take a position, and then go to the Bible to find scriptures to support their position. This is backwards.

You are certainly not backslid for questioning, although I understand exactly why you feel that way. I am right where you are right now.

Many Pentecostals are terrified of grace. They think that teaching grace will cause people to just live any ol' way. A true relationship with God will prevent that, of course. We still want to please God if we love Him. When I learned about what grace really was, it changed my world.

Keep seeking God. I agree completely with Sherri's post. Walk carefully.

What do you mean by "grace"?

Scott Hutchinson · #82 03-18-2009, 10:56 PM

True Holiness I might add is a glorification of Christ,and does not lift up the flesh of men,but it lifts up Christ.

wilderness · #83 03-18-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I don´t think anyone doubts how I live so I hope what I say will be taken in the light of how I live.
Let me begin by saying there is a real need for true HOLINESS....and this involves separation ...to Noah separation meant his salvation and the saving of his family...
Holiness includes honesty in business practices; the refraining from uncharitable, unprofitable, and unchristian conversation.

We are called unto fellowship with God who ". . . is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" (1 Jn. 1:5, 6). Therefore, there is an absolute necessity for separation from whatever is "darkness;" that is, whatever is in direct opposition to His very nature. The perfect will of God for the saint is always the same: ". . . be ye HOLY in all manner of conversation; because it is written, Be ye HOLY; for I am HOLY" (1 Pet. 1:15, 16).

We must "keep [ourselves] from idols" (1 Jn. 5:19-21) the allurements and snares that the "god of this world" sets before us on every hand. We are in the world, but we are not to be a part of it. "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world...And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof : but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever" (study 1 Jn. 2:15-17).

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Romans 12:2).

"We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from
God" (1 Corinthians 2:12).

"Christ gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age
[world]" (Galatians 1:4).

"You were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live
when you followed the ways of this world" (Ephesians 2:1-2).

"Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me" (2 Timothy 4:10)

More later...gotta go to the store to pick up things for a special dinner..

Thank you for your reply......

Wilderness

wilderness · #84 03-18-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Wilderness,

It is clear you are in rebellion and we all know that "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" so therefore you are a witch!

You are not to question the teachings of the church or expect there to be logical or Biblical substantiation for them. Questioning anything is a bad spirit.

Don't even let it enter your mind that perhaps your view of God, Chrisitanity, salvation, etc could be skewed by years of psychological conditioning. There is no such thing. Only conviction.

Such a nice way to make a point! -

wilderness · #85 03-18-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BadgerBoysMom

Really... quite honestly I am SHOCKED...

That is shocking!

Wilderness

wilderness · #86 03-18-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Holiness is a work of The Holy Spirit in the life of the believer,the Holy Spirit confirms one to the image of Christ.
Being modest is not Holiness in itself,but being modest in spirit will result in outward modesty,one can be outwardly modest and still not have Holiness,but if one has True Holiness it will go from the inside to the outside.
True Holiness affects every area of one's life.
There are many aspects of Holiness.
That's why I feel the baptism of the Holy Ghost is necessary for Holiness.
The Holy Ghost gives us the power to live Godly.

I agree, thank you!

Wilderness

wilderness · #87 03-18-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

True Holiness I might add is a glorification of Christ,and does not lift up the flesh of men,but it lifts up Christ.

That's what has been interesting to me that, it only seems that 100% compliance is what determines ones Holiness and Spirituality. Why do we complicate things so much?

I see this in the business world as well, that folks tend to try to complicate things more than they really are.

Wilderness

pelathais · #88 03-18-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Could you explain this a little more? In what ways do you think existentialism has affected us?

By "us" I meant Western civilization in general. It permeates most schools of thought and even those who resist it are changed by their encounters and the need to do more self reflection.

Kirkengaard was responding to the Enlightenment and it's challenges to Christian faith. The Kirkengaard family were devote Danish Lutherans. The father was abjectly melancholy in his outlook, expecting all of his children to precede him in death because he had "cursed" at God once in his youth. One of Soren's brothers was a bishop in the State Church.

The idea of moral relativism was hardly new, Plato famously quoted Socrates on the subject. But Kirkengaard intoduced it as defense for the Christian faith.

He did not appear to have a ready answer to rationalism on its own terms, so he argued that "truth" could be understood in relativistic terms. What's true for the rationalist may not be true for a person of faith; that sort of reasoning.

The primary thrust of existentialist thinking is that it emphasizes human experience over objective truth.

*AQuietPlace* · #89 03-19-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wilderness

What do you mean by "grace"?

The fact that we don't have to earn our salvation. That it is a gift given freely to us.

We can't be good enough to earn it, and we can't be good enough to keep it.

The blood of Jesus covers us.

*AQuietPlace* · #90 03-19-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

By "us" I meant Western civilization in general. It permeates most schools of thought and even those who resist it are changed by their encounters and the need to do more self reflection.

Thank you. Interesting stuff. It's amazing how our philosophical views shape us, even when we don't realize it.