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03-05-2007, 10:01 PM
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Holiness: What is it?
Let's take a deep look into holiiness.
What do we know from the Word about Holiness?
We know God is Holy.
We know that without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
Those two statements being true then we ought to look at this subject with all seriousness.
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Heb 12:14 (KJV)
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Rom 6:22 (KJV)
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Gal 5:22 - 26 (KJV)
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Eph 5:2 - 11 (KJV)
1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
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Holiness is more then just a set of rules to live by, it's a producing of the Fruit of the Spirit in our lives. Can we produce the fruit if we are not Holy or does producing the fruit give evidence of His Holiness in our lives?
Jesus once came upon a fig tree looking for a fig to eat, he know it was a fig tree by looking at it, yet he cursed it when he didn't find any fruit.
Wouldn't it be horrible to look the part but produce no fruit and be cursed?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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03-05-2007, 10:08 PM
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Holiness is very simple. Something is considered "holy" when it has been consecrated or set apart for a specific purpose. That is the essence of holiness. The two aspects of holiness are separated "from" and separated "to."
It really doesn't get any more simple than that.
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03-05-2007, 10:11 PM
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Is Holiness a combination of "all goodness and righteousness and truth"?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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03-05-2007, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Is Holiness a combination of "all goodness and righteousness and truth"?
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Not according to the biblical word "kodesh." It means something "set apart."
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03-05-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Not according to the biblical word "kodesh." It means something "set apart."
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Rom 6:22 (KJV)
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
What do you think the highlighted phrase means?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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03-05-2007, 10:17 PM
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Jesus in us as the Holy Spirit is our holiness/sanctification according to 1 Cor. 1:30
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03-05-2007, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Rom 6:22 (KJV)
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
What do you think the highlighted phrase means?
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Being made "free from" or separated from sin. This separation brings fruit, whose end is everlasting life.
At least that is the way I see it. I am not claiming infallibility though.
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03-06-2007, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Not according to the biblical word "kodesh." It means something "set apart."
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Yes, but that would require actually relying on the biblical text to tell us what the text means. We can't be going around doing that! It would make us give up many of our pet doctrines and traditions.
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03-06-2007, 09:21 AM
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America, bless God.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW
Let's take a deep look into holiiness.
What do we know from the Word about Holiness?
We know God is Holy.
We know that without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
Those two statements being true then we ought to look at this subject with all seriousness.
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Amen. Every child of God should research and rehearse this subject with utmost diligence. I love this great topic! Although I haven't seen many threads here survive the trend of becoming silly; or many discussions about holiness, not slip into another "standard thread", one can always hope.
Looking at your two statements, it is obvious that we need God in our lives. We do not attain holiness without the holy God endowing us with it. I believe this endowment comes, when we recieve the infilling of His spirit; the Holy Ghost.
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Holiness is more then just a set of rules to live by, it's a producing of the Fruit of the Spirit in our lives. Can we produce the fruit if we are not Holy or does producing the fruit give evidence of His Holiness in our lives?
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See above paragraph. We do not produce holiness by adopting a set of rules. God produces the fruit of holiness by simply being there. If after we recieve the Holy Ghost we will continue walking with and in His spirit; His Spirit which is holiness, will bring forth the fruits of holiness. Which is why OSAS is not biblical, but that is another subject.
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Jesus once came upon a fig tree looking for a fig to eat, he know it was a fig tree by looking at it, yet he cursed it when he didn't find any fruit.
Wouldn't it be horrible to look the part but produce no fruit and be cursed?
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Yes it would. Jesus said the tares would grow with the wheat and that they would be seperated at the harvest. We must be fruitful or we shall burn. Holiness or hell is not a catch phrase, it is mandatory for our eternal life. We need Jesus every day, every hour, every minute.
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03-06-2007, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave
Amen. Every child of God should research and rehearse this subject with utmost diligence. I love this great topic! Although I haven't seen many threads here survive the trend of becoming silly; or many discussions about holiness, not slip into another "standard thread", one can always hope.
Looking at your two statements, it is obvious that we need God in our lives. We do not attain holiness without the holy God endowing us with it. I believe this endowment comes, when we recieve the infilling of His spirit; the Holy Ghost. See above paragraph. We do not produce holiness by adopting a set of rules. God produces the fruit of holiness by simply being there. If after we recieve the Holy Ghost we will continue walking with and in His spirit; His Spirit which is holiness, will bring forth the fruits of holiness. Which is why OSAS is not biblical, but that is another subject.
Yes it would. Jesus said the tares would grow with the wheat and that they would be seperated at the harvest. We must be fruitful or we shall burn. Holiness or hell is not a catch phrase, it is mandatory for our eternal life. We need Jesus every day, every hour, every minute.
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Thanks for the good input DBD!
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