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Old 10-19-2008, 03:29 PM
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Re: Who is the puppet-master?

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30081
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:46 PM
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Ferd, admitting to using illicit drugs and being investigated for stealing drugs from a charity are two different things in my opinion. However, my point is that with how minutely I have seen the lives of the Obama's scrutinized from basically their birth on...I would be surprised if I would not read about stealing drugs from a charity here if it were about one of them. I may be wrong, but it is my honest opinion given the tenor of the campaign talk surrounding them.
However, I'll be the first to admit that I have made a silly comment or two in my life
Stew, Cindy's issues with pain killers isnt new. It was public information long before he ran for president. Thus not an issue. The same with Barak Obama's drug use.

the questions about Barak Obamas birth and the questions related to Michelle are directly connected to this campaign.

it shocks me that you dont see that.
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:46 PM
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No, HO. Because I fit that exact description and I am an American citizen.
You were born before that came to pass.....LOL!

I'll have to look it up again, but it's for those born before or after or something like that. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. I have to look it up for my son when he had a project in school to do.
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:51 PM
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I did not see anything contrary. Can you point me to that. I am honestly interested in whether he lied about it. Are you saying that there was not already a law that requires doctors to treat or that it is not covered in the Hippocratic oath as well?
Barak Obama stated that this law violates the sanctity of roe.


that is far from "there is a federal law on the books already.

further when the person sponcering the bill tried to add language that Obama wanted, Obama blocked it. He never said at the time there was a federal law.

It is a matter of record.

Obama is revising the history here and nobody cares.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:01 PM
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Stew, this article

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/abo...007-02-15.html

Clearly indcates that the law that Obama opposed in Ill. predated the Federal law thus Obama's argument that it was unnecessary is invaldid.

Obama was the only Ill. Senator to oppose the Ill. version!

He isnt being truthfull but that really doesnt matter. If he said the moon was made of green cheese, far too many would believe it.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:04 PM
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Only if both parents are American citizens.

See, when I was a kid, I was told in school that no matter what, anyone born in the US was a citizen of the US. In addition, if they had at least one parent that was a citizen, regardless of where they were born, they were American citizens. Neither is actually true. I just found that out about two months ago.
I think you were given wrong information.

Anyone born in the United States IS a citizen of the US.
Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States (including the overseas territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands) and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthri...tes_of_America

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14th amendment of the Constitution:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: Who is the puppet-master?

They may be born a citizen but they don't necessarily retain their citizenship beyond age 18, if they live in other countries or become citizens of other countries. I don't know specifics, but some countries make you give up citizenship in your country of birth if you become a citizen of their country.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:32 PM
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They may be born a citizen but they don't necessarily retain their citizenship beyond age 18, if they live in other countries or become citizens of other countries. I don't know specifics, but some countries make you give up citizenship in your country of birth if you become a citizen of their country.
If you get some specifics, please feel free to share them with us.

Obviously, there's a lot of misinformation out there concerning this issue.


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Old 10-19-2008, 07:51 PM
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Stew, Cindy's issues with pain killers isnt new. It was public information long before he ran for president. Thus not an issue. The same with Barak Obama's drug use.

the questions about Barak Obamas birth and the questions related to Michelle are directly connected to this campaign.

it shocks me that you dont see that.
Ferd, I wasn't trying to get a big long argument started, but let me say that the questions about and scrutiny of the Obamas are much much much more than the question of his birth and campaign related issues. There are tons of websites that have been built that are dedicated to Obama "secrets" that go far into a place outside of policy and politics. In that climate, my observation is simply that one of them stealing drugs would have gotten plenty of play. Just peruse some of those sites and see how many articles snopes has had to write just to refute some obscure accusations and claims...and you may see what I am saying.

I am not referring to any issues that are directly connected to this campaign, and it shocks me that you don't see that...so I guess we are just both shocked
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If you get some specifics, please feel free to share them with us.

Obviously, there's a lot of misinformation out there concerning this issue.


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Some folks are purposely spreading misinformation.

Some folks are genuinely ignorant of the fact that coffers for the "Right" have been unduly vicious with their rumors and lies being spread in the form of "legitimate questions".


I've grown tired of it all.
It is what it is and what will be, will be, with or without me being there to try to fix everything and everybody.
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