Would you support a return to the Draft

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Rico

He's God. He can do whatever He wants. Whether you believe it, or care to admit it, God ordered the deaths of untold thousands, maybe more, people, so He could establish Israel as a nation. Since you agree that the God of the NT is the same God of the OT, then we are obviously talking about Jesus.

Where does it say that God can do whatever He wants? This is totally untrue. Do you not realize that the Old Testament is a type and shadow of what Jesus ushered in through His New Covenant? The Law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. The Old Testament Laws were more clearly defined after Jesus taught them with the authority of the Law Giver. He showed that He desired mercy instead of sacrifice. He chose love to be His defining attribute.

Now, where exactly does Jesus or His apostles teach that it is acceptable for Christians to go to war? Can you name where the early church fought against their oppressors? The Jews fought, but not the Christians. They were known for not taking up arms. So where does the Bible say that this was to change?

Isn't our faith supposed to come by hearing the Word? So where are the scriptures from which you derive your faith on this?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I cannot believe God wants us killing each other. There must be a higher road for God´s people.

AMEN, Sister!

[TK Burk]

So can anyone list the scriptures that support the New Covenant Church going to war, or for killing their enemy?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I cannot believe God wants us killing each other. There must be a higher road for God´s people.

Sister,

1. God does not WANT us killing each other!

2. God does not WANT us killing anyone just because they are from another country.

I don't know of any human being in the world that would possibly THINK that God WANTS us killing each other just for the sake of KILLING each other. Only a heathern God would be so cruel as to WANT us killing each other just for the pure sake of KILLING.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

So can anyone list the scriptures that support the New Covenant Church going to war, or for killing their enemy?

No need bumping it.

Everyone with two brain cells know that it is not the business of the New Covenant Church to go to natural war with other nations. That business is left up to human governments. Hopefully, those governments will be led by the rightesouness of the cause to war.

New Covenant Church going to war?

[DividedThigh]

the fact is that those of us who act like war is never right are doomed to eventually be stomped under the boot of the oppressor, ignoring the threat of islamo fascism, and other tyrants will only prolong the inevitability for us to be forced to defend ourselves, i am not for killing anyone, but defending my country and the freedom it gives, well that is a different matter. You can debate the ethics of war all you want, but someone eventually has to fight to defend freedom and liberty, my son is 21, and my daughters 19 and 18, i dont want them to go, but if they choose to i support them, my brother just returned from iraq, he said people dont realize the good the men and women of our armed services are doing, dt

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

the fact is that those of us who act like war is never right are doomed to eventually be stomped under the boot of the oppressor, ignoring the threat of islamo fascism, and other tyrants will only prolong the inevitability for us to be forced to defend ourselves, i am not for killing anyone, but defending my country and the freedom it gives, well that is a different matter. You can debate the ethics of war all you want, but someone eventually has to fight to defend freedom and liberty, my son is 21, and my daughters 19 and 18, i dont want them to go, but if they choose to i support them, my brother just returned from iraq, he said people dont realize the good the men and women of our armed services are doing, dt

Amen, D.T.

But I guess I am a little more sensitive than most since I am a war vet, fully prepared to give my life for what I thought at the time was a just cause.

The history of my family is written in blood given to provide what so many ungratefuls have in common with me, that never cost them anything. The war history of my family in America goes back to the Revolutionary war when Isham Strange served in the Army formed by Washington, authorized by the Continental Congress. Though he lived some others of my relatives were not so fortunate. I came close to not returning home to my family.

Though they CLAIM to be a christian, the ungratefuls and the unwilling do not deserve the bountiful fruits of the lives sacrificed to provide them what they enjoy today in America.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

No need bumping it.

Everyone with two brain cells know that it is not the business of the New Covenant Church to go to natural war with other nations. That business is left up to human governments. Hopefully, those governments will be led by the rightesouness of the cause to war.

New Covenant Church going to war?

Brother Strange, how can you say the above and then amen DT? All I asked for was the Bible passages that say Jesus taught it is acceptable for a Christian to go to war or kill their enemey. You say it is ok, then you say it is not, then you say that it is?? Which is it? Does Jesus say it is ok for Christians to go to war and kill their enemies, or does He say it is not ok?

[Felicity]

I think there's a time and place for the draft.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

the fact is that those of us who act like war is never right are doomed to eventually be stomped under the boot of the oppressor, ignoring the threat of islamo fascism, and other tyrants will only prolong the inevitability for us to be forced to defend ourselves, i am not for killing anyone, but defending my country and the freedom it gives, well that is a different matter. You can debate the ethics of war all you want, but someone eventually has to fight to defend freedom and liberty, my son is 21, and my daughters 19 and 18, i dont want them to go, but if they choose to i support them, my brother just returned from iraq, he said people dont realize the good the men and women of our armed services are doing, dt

No offence, but this is just your opinion. What is Jesus'? Where does He say He agrees with you? As Christians that should be our REAL concern.