Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Amen?!

Hey why don't you download one of your singing video?

You can add your testimony after you sing.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hey why don't you download one of your singing video?

You can add your testimony after you sing.

What singing video?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What singing video?

The one you are going to record.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The one you are going to record.

This is the closest I got listen until the end. You too Aquila this is the answer to your medication needs..

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

This is the closest I got listen until the end. You too Aquila this is the answer to your medication needs..

You are singing on that tape?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You are singing on that tape?

No just pieced it together.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Aquila

While various substances might have medicinal benefits in relation to the body no earthly substance or medication can aid one spiritually. The idea that a substance can access spiritual realms is nothing but pagan superstition.

This is indescribably naive bordering on the indecent. I sincerely hope you merely think this in the ignorance of unbelief, as opposed to holding some real conviction that the above comments reflect reality in the slightest.

I used to work 3rd shift at a resort hotel as a night auditor, and in the summer, the amount of intoxicated people that used to cross my desk was always high. Many times, as the person stumbled past, they would suddenly stop, look at me, and as I made eye contact with them, they, sensing the presence of the Holy One in me, would go into fits and rages under demonic pressure and influence, snap at me verbally, cuss me out, accuse me of wrong doing, and etc. And I could tell, I wasn't looking into their eyes, I was looking into the eyes of a devil.

One lady even started in on me being a Christian, belittling me, without even otherwise knowing I was one.

In Proverbs 20:1 we are told that wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging, and whoever indulges in either is not wise.

In James 3:15, we are told of a kind of wisdom that comes from the earth, not from heaven, that is sensual and devilish, that is, it summons and channels evil spirits, the kind of "wisdom" that is procured through mocking wine and raging strong drink, for example.

More people get possessed or at least oppressed by evil spirits when they are high than at any other time in their life. One sister told me how she couldn't read tarot until she hit the pipe, then she could read. But if ever she tried to read the cards without her drugs, it never worked.

But God delivered her of all that, and she's one of the most on fire Apostolics I've ever met. Because she was demonically possessed and getting high and doing tarot went hand in hand and brought an evil spirit into her life. And then she met Jesus, and having had her fill of Satan, all she ever wants now is to have her fill of the Savior.

So, this idea that chemical substances don't lead to spiritual experiences is dangerous to the max.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is indescribably naive bordering on the indecent. I sincerely hope you merely think this in the ignorance of unbelief, as opposed to holding some real conviction that the above comments reflect reality in the slightest.

I used to work 3rd shift at a resort hotel as a night auditor, and in the summer, the amount of intoxicated people that used to cross my desk was always high. Many times, as the person stumbled past, they would suddenly stop, look at me, and as I made eye contact with them, they, sensing the presence of the Holy One in me, would go into fits and rages under demonic pressure and influence, snap at me verbally, cuss me out, accuse me of wrong doing, and etc. And I could tell, I wasn't looking into their eyes, I was looking into the eyes of a devil.

One lady even started in on me being a Christian, belittling me, without even otherwise knowing I was one.

In Proverbs 20:1 we are told that wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging, and whoever indulges in either is not wise.

In James 3:15, we are told of a kind of wisdom that comes from the earth, not from heaven, that is sensual and devilish, that is, it summons and channels evil spirits, the kind of "wisdom" that is procured through mocking wine and raging strong drink, for example.

More people get possessed or at least oppressed by evil spirits when they are high than at any other time in their life. One sister told me how she couldn't read tarot until she hit the pipe, then she could read. But if ever she tried to read the cards without her drugs, it never worked.

But God delivered her of all that, and she's one of the most on fire Apostolics I've ever met. Because she was demonically possessed and getting high and doing tarot went hand in hand and brought an evil spirit into her life. And then she met Jesus, and having had her fill of Satan, all she ever wants now is to have her fill of the Savior.

So, this idea that chemical substances don't lead to spiritual experiences is dangerous to the max.

Hallucinations hearing voices, are nothing to ignore in someone who are having those experiences. Interesting that most of those who hear those voices the voices aren't telling them positive things. The experimentations with LSD in therapy can go either way, individuals may have a positive trip, or an extremely bad one. But even the so called positive trip is a veneer of a coming bad one.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, you are susceptible to whatever that status quo plays on their pipe (no pun intended)

No, I'm just open to new discoveries. They are making advancements in cancer treatment with cannabis. Should they find a cure for cancer, as a result of research with cannabis, will you believe the cure is a sin?

Do Vietnam vets get PTSD?

Of course, many Vietnam vets got PTSD. My dad and my uncle suffered from it. My dad never sought help. He lived drifting from shelter to shelter, and relative to relative. He was a mess.

But PTSD is by no means restricted to vets. Police, fire, medics, victims of violent crimes, serious accidents, can also suffer from it. PTSD symptoms can last for a short period, or that can last many years. It all depends on the individual and the extent of the damage to the brain.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Here is research that LSD can be used in therapy.

Big time bad is coming, and people like you, will be the ones to carry it to the unwary flock.

I've not read much into research with LSD, so I can't really speak about it specifically.

I have no doubt that there will be challenges and new problems to overcome in new fields of research involving these substances. You have to understand, these substances haven't been openly studied in relation to any medical or health benefit due to their being illegal. However, as laws and funding permitting such research allows, I'm all for looking into is.

This thread is about psychotropic drugs in religious rituals. Nothing about medical cannabis or even this LSD research is related to religious ritual. It's simply science.

I think you bought into the Nixon era lies and false reports to justify prohibition, and now you're afraid of any changes that might take place as we strip away those lies and look more deeply into this stuff. Please understand, I wouldn't dare say that someone should take anything that they explain is against their convictions. However, I also don't support blanket condemnation issued to those whose conditions are such that they are willing to look into the benefit of these things. You don't have to live with the symptoms they live with. Let them have the freedom to look into new possibilities and new treatments. It can't be worse than trying to force them to endure their symptoms.